[802SEC]
For what it's worth, from a wireless perspective this seems very
802.15.4/4a/4b/ZigBee related. ZigBee, which is based on 15.4, is a voting
member of ISA SP100 which is working on industrial wireless standards and
we have many cross over companies who are engaged in both 802.15 activities
and ISA.
At 01:32 PM 4/19/2006 -0700, Grow, Bob wrote:
>Daleep:
>
>The industrial environment has very different environmental requirement
>from that which most of the 802 participants are comfortable with. In
>the case of Ethernet, we work closely with the cabling standards
>committees rather than specify our own cables. Specifications likely to
>be silicon implementations have commercial and or home environments
>assumed when the parts are designed and tested.
>
>We did receive a liaison request a year or so back asking if we would be
>interested in changing the specification for 100BASE-TX (hundreds of
>millions of ports shipped each year) for greater noise immunity to ease
>industrial application. IEEE 802.3 wasn't very interested in new
>specifications that would not be interoperable with all these installed
>and yet to be shipped devices. So, that leaves the industrial Ethernet
>people with some other options, run over optical fiber using standard
>802.3 capabilities, write their own PMD specification based on
>100BASE-TX, or adapt the cables, connectors and enclosures when
>necessary to be able to use our large volume commercial parts.
>
>One of the interests in using 802 technology in many of these new
>environments is to be able to leverage the volume of product we produce
>(lower cost, a rich infrastructure with all kinds of 802-interfaced
>equipment, the fact that they eventually connect to 802 connected
>computers, etc). Changing the 802 specifications to meet special
>environmental requirement though violates the volume rationale. So, I
>expect most of the 802 groups are happy to see our technologies applied
>in increasing market segments, and would be happy to work with other
>groups when appropriate, but usually the experts in the non-commercial
>environments have to apply their expertise to see how they can leverage
>generally available commercial parts in specialized equipment, or to
>take commercial equipment and buggerize it for the specialized market.
>
>Last time I met on US Navy communications projects, they were looking at
>the latter approach, build an environmental enclosure so they could use
>low-cost commercial equipment with the enclosure providing shock and
>other environmental improvements for what has traditionally been a MIL
>spec environment. Where use of MIL spec chips is unavoidable, (or when
>the capability needs to fly in space, etc.) generally special
>arrangements are made to get access to commercial design files so a MIL
>spec part can be built by a specialized semiconductor company. ETSI has
>a different problem when using Ethernet. They need it ruggedized for
>portability and difficult environments. They specify commercial
>lighting systems and the like for entertainment applications like
>theatres and concerts. So, they use different cables and connectors
>that are roadie-proof, but generally can use commercial Ethernet parts.
>They may have to do some special shielding when the Ethernet parts are
>in a high voltage and current dimmer box, but they are the experts at
>that stuff, not the attendees in 802.3.
>
>--Bob
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daleep Mohla [mailto:d.c.mohla@ieee.org]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 10:42 AM
>To: Grow, Bob
>Cc: 'Steve Mills'; 'Bob. Grow'; 'Gorman, Judith';
>STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org; d.c.mohla@ieee.org
>Subject: RE:
>
>Thanks Bob.
>Does 802 has any interest of stake in this? Or is it totally different
>from 802 scope and vision?
>Regards;
>Daleep
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Grow, Bob [mailto:bob.grow@intel.com]
>Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 12:15 PM
>To: d.c.mohla@ieee.org
>Cc: Steve Mills; Bob. Grow; Gorman, Judith;
>STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>Subject: RE:
>
>
>Daleep:
>
>IEEE 802.3 has been very lightly engaged with Industrial Ethernet
>efforts, but I was unaware of activity with wireless in industrial
>applications. I'm coping this response to the LMSC EC reflector for
>information to the 802 wireless goups.
>
>--Bob
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Daleep Mohla [mailto:d.c.mohla@ieee.org]
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:29 PM
>To: Steve Mills; Bob. Grow; Gorman, Judith
>Subject:
>
>
>
>Is IEEE / 802 group aware of this? Are they or should they be involved?
>
>Regards;
>
>Daleep
>
>
>
>
>
> <http://www.isa.org/>
>
> <http://www.isa.org/intech>
>
>
>
>Go Login
><http://www.isa.org/template.cfm?section=login&template=/security/login.
>cfm>
>
>
>
>
>
>* InTech Home
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=InTech_Home1&Template=/in
>techdefault.cfm>
>
>* Feature Articles
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Article_Index1&Template=/
>TaggedPage/TaggedPageDisplay.cfm&TPLID=4&ContentID=52166>
>
>* Article Index
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Article_Index1&Template=/
>TaggedPage/TaggedPageDisplay.cfm&TPLID=4&ContentID=52166>
>
>* Columns & Departments
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Departments5&Template=/Co
>ntentManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C92%27&PageName=InTech%20
>Business>
>
>* Ask the Career Coach
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Career_Front1&Template=/C
>ontentManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C94%27&PageName=Ask%20th
>e%20Career%20Coach>
>
>* Automation Basics
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Control_Fundamentals1&Tem
>plate=/ContentManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C95%27&PageName=
>Automation%20Basics>
>
>* Automation Update
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Technology_Update1&Templa
>te=/ContentManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C85%27&PageName=Aut
>omation%20Update>
>
>* Certification Review
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=CCST_Questions1&Template=
>/Customsource/ISA/CCST/Questions.cfm>
>
>* Channel Talk
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Channel_Talk1&Template=/C
>ontentManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C4553%27&PageName=Channe
>l%20Talk>
>
>* Executive Corner
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Executive_Corner1&Templat
>e=/ContentManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C4554%27&PageName=Ex
>ecutive%20Corner>
>
>* ISA News
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=ISA_News1&Template=/Conte
>ntManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C4555%27&PageName=ISA%20News>
>
>* Products and Resources
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Products4&Template=/Conte
>ntManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C91%27&PageName=Products%20a
>nd%20Resources>
>
>* Standards
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Standards_Update1&Templat
>e=/ContentManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C89%27&PageName=Stan
>dards>
>
>* Talk to Me
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Talk_to_Me1&Template=/Con
>tentManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C4556%27&PageName=Talk%20t
>o%20Me>
>
>* The Final Say
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=ViewPoint1&Template=/Cont
>entManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C84%27&PageName=The%20Final
>%20Say>
>
>* Your Letters
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Letters1&Template=/Conten
>tManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C83%27&PageName=Your%20Letter
>s>
>
>* Archives of Prior Departments
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=By_The_Numbers1&Template=
>/ContentManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C93%27&PageName=InTech
>%20By%20The%20Numbers>
>
>* InTech e-News
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Business1&Template=/Conte
>ntManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C92%27&PageName=Business%20N
>ews>
>
>* Business News
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Business1&Template=/Conte
>ntManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C92%27&PageName=Business%20N
>ews>
>
>* e-News Archives
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=e-News_Archives&Template=
>/ContentManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C4559%27&PageName=InTe
>ch%20e-News%20Archives>
>
>* Events
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Calendar_of_Events1&Templ
>ate=/Calendar/CalendarEventList.cfm>
>
>* Industry News
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Industry_News&Template=/C
>ontentManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C4557%27&PageName=Indust
>ry%20News>
>
>* Pinto's Points
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Pintos_Points1&Template=/
>ContentManagement/AllContentList.cfm&ICID=%2778%2C4558%27&PageName=Pinto
>%27s%20Points>
>
>* Blog <http://www.isa.org/intech/blog/>
>
>* General Information
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=General_Information2&Temp
>late=/IntechDefault.cfm>
>
>* About InTech
><http://www.isa.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Products_and_Services/Publish
>ing/InTech17/General_Information2/About_InTech1/About_InTech.htm>
>
>* Advertise in InTech
><http://www.isa.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Products_and_Services/Publish
>ing/InTech17/General_Information2/Advertise_in_InTech1/Advertise_in_InTe
>ch.htm>
>
>* Subscribe
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Subscribe3&Template=/Cust
>omSource/ISA/InTech/index.cfm>
>
>* Contact Us
><http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=Contact_Us2&Template=/Con
>tentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=40646>
>
>* ISA Home <http://www.isa.org/>
>
>
>
>
><http://www.isa.org/PrinterTemplate.cfm?Template=/ContentManagement/HTML
>Display.cfm&ContentID=53292&FuseFlag=1>
>
>
>
>Send to a Friend
>
>
>
>
>
>Browser has detected that Javascript is disabled. Navigation is only
>possible through Site Map page
><http://www.isa.org/Template.cfm?Section=Site_Map&Template=/SiteMap/Site
>Map.cfm>
>
>InTech Home <http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm> InTech Home
>
>
>
>
>12 April 2006
>
>
>Wireless standard for industrial automation
>
>
>The ISA-SP100 committee and interested parties met to discuss technology
>and standards development logistics this week in Research Triangle Park,
>N.C.
>
>The group intends to establish standards, recommended practices,
>technical reports, and related information that will define procedures
>for implementing wireless systems in the automation and control
>environment with a focus on the field level.
>
>"The technology is ready," said committee co-chair Wayne Manges of Oak
>Ridge National Lab. "It has come out of the cell phone industry, the
>federal government, and from commercial networking businesses."
>
>Compliance with the committee's guidance will improve manufacturing and
>control system deployment as well as identify vulnerabilities.
>
>Co-chair Richard Sanders of ExxonMobil said, "I'm here to make sure
>users' voices are heard. The reason we participate is to make sure we
>get what we want. If you want to say something but don't want to scream,
>let me know, and I'll make sure you're heard."
>
>ISA-SP100 will address wireless manufacturing and control systems in the
>following areas:
>
>* Environment in which the wireless technology is
>deployed.
>
>* Technology life cycle for wireless equipment and
>systems.
>
>* Application of wireless technology.
>
>The wireless environment includes the definitio
>
>----------
>This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This
>list is maintained by Listserv.
Bob Heile, Ph.D
Chairman, ZigBee Alliance
Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Personal Area Networks
11 Louis Road
Attleboro, MA 02703 USA
Mobile: +1-781-929-4832
email: bheile@ieee.org
----------
This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv.