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Re: [802SEC] +++EC email ballot+++ motion to delay release of 802.18 communication+++ends 3 OCT 2005+++final tally

Roger, that isn't what I said. The motion was only to delay release until Paul ruled. His ability and need to rule wasn't changed by whether the motion passed or failed. He has ruled that the conditions of the P&P for TAG vote weren't met. 

I agree with what he is doing as far as that goes. On the other hand, I think an additional 5 days of delay would be pushing things to far so I'd like him to rule that in the current somewhat upside down situation he will consider that the EC 5 day review has had plenty of time to run and doesn't need to be repeated after the TAG voting flaw is fixed.

Regards,
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger B. Marks [mailto:r.b.marks@ieee.org] 
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:40 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC email ballot+++ motion to delay release of 802.18 communication+++ends 3 OCT 2005+++final tally

Paul,

I agree with Pat. The TAG communication can proceed unless a motion 
to block is made, in which case "release of the position statement 
will be withheld until the motion fails."

The motion failed.

How would we be proceeding differently if the motion had passed?

Roger


At 11:11 -0600 2005-10-10, Pat Thaler wrote:
>Paul,
>
>Is there some way that we can consider the 5 day P&P period to have 
>already been allowed to run? While what you suggest meets the 
>"letter of the law," we have already seen the document. I don't 
>think that the fact that the validity of the vote in the TAG was 
>questioned and the vote had to be rerun raises any issues that need 
>a new review period. Perhaps we need a day to see the results of the 
>new ballot and then can move on.
>
>Regards,
>Pat
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET]
>Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 9:54 AM
>To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC email ballot+++ motion to delay release 
>of 802.18 communication+++ends 3 OCT 2005+++final tally
>
>Dear EC members,
>
>Given the failure of the motion, I occurs to me that I must clarify what
>state the 802.18 TAG communication is in; it is pending final approval by
>the TAG and the EC.
>
>My rationale is as follows.  The motion to delay the release until the I
>made a ruling failed.  However there was ambiguoity in my mind as to whether
>or not adequate TAG approval had been reached in the first place.  Therefore
>I requested the chair of the 802.18 TAG conduct an email ballot to resolve
>the ambiguoity as to whether or not adequate approval from the TAG was
>obtained for the communcation.  That ballot closed Tuesday 4OCT.   The TAG
>email ballot must receive 75% approval of all TAG members in order to be
>presented to the EC for review.  If the TAG email ballot passed and after
>Mike Lynch notifies the EC of the result it may proceed as per the P&P (i.e.
>within 5 days of notice, or after a EC motion to block fails--see P&P
>below).
>
>Regards,
>
>--Paul Nikolich
>
>The 802 P&P regarding TAG communcations with governement bodies states:
>
>"Working Group or TAG Communications
>Working Group or TAG communications with government bodies shall not be
>released without prior approval by a 75% majority of the Working Group or
>TAG. Such communications may proceed unless blocked by an EC vote. For
>position statements not presented for review in an EC meeting, EC members
>shall have a review period of at least five days; if, during that time, a
>motion to block it is made, release of the position statement will be
>withheld until the motion fails. "
>
>Upon my request the
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Nikolich" <paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>
>To: <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>
>Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:36 PM
>Subject: [802SEC] +++EC email ballot+++ motion to delay release of 802.18
>communication+++ends 3 OCT 2005+++final tally
>
>
>Dear EC members,
>
>The final tally on the below motion is 6APP/4DIS/0ABS/6DNV.  Since the
>motion did not receive a majority of the EC voting members (9) the motion
>fails.
>
>Note that Mike Lynch has conducted an email ballot of the TAG on this matter
>and will be publishing the result shortly to the EC reflector.  Mike, when
>you publish the result, please note that a majority of TAG members must vote
>in the affirmative in order for the motion to pass.
>
>Regards,
>--Paul
>
>
>Vote categories:          DIS    DNV     APP    ABS
>   -----------------------------------------------
>   01 Mat Sherman+         DIS
>   02 Pat Thaler+                         APP
>   03 Buzz Rigsbee+        DIS
>   04 Bob O'Hara                  DNV
>   05 John Hawkins+                       APP
>   06 Tony Jeffree+                       APP
>   07 Bob Grow+            DIS
>   08 Stuart Kerry                DNV
>   09 Bob Heile                   DNV
>   10 Roger Marks+         DIS
>   11 Mike Takefman               DNV
>   12 Mike Lynch                  DNV
>   13 Steve Shellhammer+                  APP
>   14 Jerry Upton+                        APP
>   15 Ajay Rajkumar               DNV
>   16 Carl Stevenson+                     APP
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>   TOTALS                  DIS    DNV     APP    ABS
>                            4      6       6      0
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Nikolich" <paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>
>To: <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>
>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 11:16 AM
>Subject: [802SEC] +++EC email ballot+++ motion to delay release of 802.18
>communication+++ends 3 OCT 2005
>
>
>Dear EC Memebers,
>
>The below EC motion has been made, recognized and seconded, hence I am
>conducting this EC email ballot.
>
>Therefore, I move to delay release of the communication until Paul Nikolich
>has ruled on whether the requirements of 14.2 for a TAG vote have been met.
>Moved: Pat Thaler
>Second: Bob Grow
>
>The ballot closes the sooner of 3 OCT 2005 or 24 hours after all EC members
>cast a ballot.
>
>Mike Lynch--in parallel with this email ballot, I strongly encourage you to
>immediately conduct an email ballot of the 802.18 TAG members to remove all
>doubt as to whether or not the communication has received proper
>consideration by the TAG and provide timely updates to the EC such that the
>EC can observe the progress of the email ballot.
>
>Regards,
>
>--Paul Nikolich
>

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