Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for Network Equipment Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005
Buzz,
I agree with Stuart, Pat, and others on the liability issues ...
I would likely approve an AP only motion with a NTE price of $6k, *if* Tim
thinks it's really necessary AND that it will result in a significant
improvement in the performace of our network (not clear, since so few seem
to have a/b/g cards ...), but as long as there is a component aimed at
getting us into the "business" of supplying NICs, I will vote "DIS" ...
BTW ... How do you propose to fund giving the NICs away for "FREE" (emphasis
yours below) ???
Carl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM]
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:10 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for
> Network Equipment Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005
>
> Pat, Well, thanx for your input but I would like to respond:
>
> 1) We have bought 802.11a modules for our APs before; they
> cost about $250-300 each on the internet but we have gotten
> discount deals from Cisco in the past that will probably let
> us do better than that, so a not to exceed number is about $6K.
>
> 2) The 2nd part of the motion is to determine if we intend
> to take action to solve this problem we have been
> experiencing for several meetings now. For several meetings
> we have continued to speculate that the problem will go away
> (but it hasn't, we still only have 10% of attendees on 11a)
> or to try to blame it on the Network Service Provider (which
> is not fair since they cannot change the laws of physics).
> I'm suggesting that we need to take a proactive role in
> solving this problem, not just letting it recur indefinitely.
> We have consulted with our best network advisors who
> understand the problem, and they have indicated that the only
> effective way is to encourage folks to upgrade to 11a. I
> don't have any plans to pay anything to anybody, but I DO
> want some commitment that if we do all the homework to come
> up with a solution for the problem that we are not going have
> to listen to this kind of speculative BS about why we
> shouldn't have to do anything at all. How many mo!
> re congested meetings do we need to have before we agree to
> act ??? I hope the answer is NONE.
>
> 3) Pat, I don't know how many times you've rushed out and
> plunked down your hard-earned cash to upgrade your employer's
> property, but I don't think many folks are willing to do that
> even if it was only $50. Also if everybody buys their own we
> will probably have few of the manageable types which will
> listen to power level advisories so they turn down their
> transmit power and thereby cause less interference in the
> congested meeting rooms. We have a one-time chance here to
> solve the problem and improve manageability of our networks
> for a small or perhaps free (depending on the deal we get)
> investment. We'll give out for FREE exactly the card we
> would prefer them to use, if and only if, they agree to take
> responsibility for receiving the upgrade, and we will provide
> support if they should have some difficulty with it. What
> could be more fair ??? I would really like to see our
> percentage of 11a users increase for next time since that
> will alleviate the problem. And, yes, !
> we may only need to do this once to jump start the solution
> process and it may carry-on from there all on it's own. But
> I don't think we want to go through one more meeting
> listening to people whining about how we've known about this
> problem for several meetings and still we have done NOTHING
> to address it.
>
> So let's quit with the pointless speculations and get on with
> a proactive solution as our network advisors have
> recommended. We just need to figure out how to do it
> reasonably, and you'll get to hear and approve of the plan
> before anything gets put in motion.
>
> Thanx, Buzz
> Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing - SSG
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
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> everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Thaler [mailto:pat_thaler@AGILENT.COM]
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:31 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for
> Network Equipment Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005
>
>
> I'm voting disapprove on this motion.
>
> I can't vote for a motion to acquire something when the
> motion doesn't include a maximum expenditure number. With a
> reasonable number attached, I could probably vote for the
> first part of the motion.
>
> Further, I don't see why a motion is needed to "investigate a
> promotional deal". You can investigate anything you want. Is
> there some commitment of IEEE 802 implied by that
> investigation (e.g. money to pay someone to conduct the
> investigation)? If so, what are we committing to? If not, we
> don't need a motion.
>
> I'm not sure what is meant by a promotional deal. I am
> opposed to committing any IEEE 802 funds to buy equipment for
> attendee laptops. In addition, I know that the laptops my
> company currently buys come equipped with a/b/g and I doubt
> that many more laptops will be acquired without it. Given the
> short life span of most laptops I think the lack of 802.11a
> equipped laptops is a short term problem. People who want an
> a/b/g card can already acquire one at a fairly negligible price.
>
> Regards,
> Pat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET]
> Sent: Sunday, 24 July, 2005 3:49 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for Network
> Equipment Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005
>
> Dear EC Members,
>
> This is a email ballot to make a determination on the below motion.
>
> Motion:
> "Whereas our Network Manager, Tim Godfrey, has recommended
> that we proceed with acquisition of the 802.11a modules for
> our Cisco 1200 APs that are not currently so equipped, and
> that we make an effort to encourage our attendees to migrate
> to 802.11a for reduced congestion:
>
>
> I move that we proceed to acquire those additional 802.11a
> modules (20), and further that we investigate a promotional
> deal to encourage more of our attendees to upgrade to
> Tri-Mode (802.11b, 11g, 11a) interface cards, which would
> also allow us to regulate client transmit power levels in
> dense configurations. Terms of deal will be reviewed with
> the Network Services Advisory Committee, and presented for
> final approval by the 802 EC prior to implementation."
>
>
> Moved: Rigsbee
> Second: Hawkins
>
> The ballot opens 7PM ET Sunday 24 July 2005 and closes Friday
> 19 August 2005
> 2005.
>
> Regards,
>
> --Paul Nikolich
>
>
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