Re: [802SEC] BPL Project
Steve,
Did you see my email? Your response on this seems inconsistent with the definition of who can be an entity in the SA and SB operating rules especially the following:
5.4.1.1 Balloting group made of entities of the SB operating manual includes in its list of those who qualify as entities:
Consortia, vendor-specific user groups, professional societies, and other standards-developing organizations: The principal and alternate representatives for these types of entities may be employed by other entities that have voting membership in the ballot group.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Mills, Steve M (Standards) [mailto:steve_mills@HP.COM]
Sent: Saturday, 23 July, 2005 9:05 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] BPL Project
Geoff,
I would encourage you to take it to ANSI. Speaking for myself, and not
the CAG, I feel it is within the bounds of what ANSI would deem
appropriate. I believe that there are many other organizations that
have similar policies; INCITS and ATIS being examples.
In any case, taking it to ANSI would give us a definitive answer. And,
if we are found to be in violation, we can fix it. Otherwise, I would
invite you to participate through your company; who, as you know, is a
member.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:gthompso@NORTEL.COM]
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 3:24 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] BPL Project
Steve-
I would like to note for the record that I consider the denial of access
to
802 to voting is denial of participation to a "materially interested
party"
and thus potentially grounds for an appeal of the IEEE process to ANSI.
The IEEE needs to get this fixed. We have a legitimate interest in this
project.
Geoff
At 02:54 PM 7/22/2005 , Shellhammer, Steve wrote:
>802 EC,
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> Paul asked me to look into the possibility of 802 joining
>the broadband over power-line (BPL) sponsor ballot as an entity. This
>item is in the Information Items on today's agenda. Attached is a
>summary of the report which can be placed in the minutes.
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>
>Regards,
>
>Steve
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I'm looking at the rules and I don't see a clear substantiation of Steve Mills's position.
6.1 of the SA operating manual says:
An entity can be any for-profit or not-for-profit enterprise, as defined in IEEE Bylaw I-403. Controlled groups of enterprises shall be entitled to a single membership in IEEE-SA except as otherwise provided for by the IEEE-SA BOG.
It isn't clear to me that one can classify IEEE 802 as part of a "controlled group of enterprises". Our board members come from companies but so do the board members of many other entities and I don't think one can say that the IEEE 802 board opinions are dictated by the IEEE SA or SB boards the way that might hold for a corporation and its subsidiary.
5.4.1.1 Balloting group made of entities of the SB operating manual includes in its list of those who qualify as entities:
Consortia, vendor-specific user groups, professional societies, and other standards-developing organizations: The principal and alternate representatives for these types of entities may be employed by other entities that have voting membership in the ballot group.
That seems to include us and it lacks the text about "does not report to another controlling body" that is in the corporate entity definition. "Professional society" would appear to include entities like the Computer Society or Communications Society even though they report to the IEEE board so I don't see why IEEE 802 is left out of "other standards-developing organizations."
Regards,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Shellhammer, Steve [mailto:sshellha@QUALCOMM.COM]
Sent: Friday, 22 July, 2005 2:55 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [802SEC] BPL Project
802 EC,
Paul asked me to look into the possibility of 802 joining
the broadband over power-line (BPL) sponsor ballot as an entity. This
item is in the Information Items on today's agenda. Attached is a
summary of the report which can be placed in the minutes.
Regards,
Steve
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