Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for Network Equipment Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005

[Michael Lynch <mjlynch@NORTEL.COM>]

I have a laptop with internal a/b/g. It is seamless and normally the
only way I know what network I'm on is if I go and look.

Works fine. I wonder how many others attending have the same built-in
system? I have seen a lot of Dell 600s in our meetings.

Regards,

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
[mailto:matthew.sherman@BAESYSTEMS.COM] 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:47
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for Network Equipment
Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005


Frankly I have an 802.11a card and rarely use it.  I find that the
integrated 802.11g card in my primary laptop works fine normally, so it
is more trouble than it is worth to reach into my bag to install and
configure the 11a card.  It may be convenient for the network provider
to use 802.11a, but less so for the user.  

I'll note, that when I ran this 11a card under WIN2K the 802.11a it
regularly crashed my computer, which is why I rarely used it.  I could
never get the card provider to fix the problem.  It works fine under XP
I believe, but if someone else wound up with this network card (which
would cause random crashes on my machine often losing significant data
under WIN2K) I can see the liability issues. 

I have another card that runs fine in any computer except a Dell D600
(which of course is all we field at work).  While it does not cause
system crashes it freezes the machine completely until you eject the
card.  The funny thing is that while it is apparently a Dell design
flaw, only certain network cards exhibit the problem.  There is a
particular reference design that I find this problem follows.  I think I
purchased the first cards based on that reference design.  I complained
to the provider of those cards and (after several months) they developed
a work around.  I recently purchased a card from a different provider
that I know is based on the same reference design since as soon as I
popped it into my D600 exhibited the same exact symptoms.  I started to
complain to the card provider, but quickly realized this was going to be
another 4 month cycle of finger pointing, so I never even bothered to
get a fix.  It happens to be a fantastic design except for that one bug
(which actually is in the computer, not the card), so I just don't use
that card in any of my D600's.  I do sometimes plug in that card (which
I need a little extra range) when I'm on the road.

Moral of the story - There's a lot of gotya's out there.  Be very wary!

Mat

PS - Somehow I feel there should be a Bugs Bunny joke after that last
line...

Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM] 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:27 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for Network Equipment
Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005

John,  I believe the motion gives permission to acquire the 802.11a
modules and direction for us to come up with a proposal for how to
proceed on encouraging 802.11a usage (whether it is FREE or not) and
certainly your option would be one of those considered.  Whatever we
come up with for the latter the EC will have a final review and approve
before we do anything.  

So let's complete the motion and then explore our options for
encouraging 802.11a usage.  

Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98124-2207
(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com



-----Original Message-----
From: John Hawkins [mailto:jhawkins@NORTEL.COM] 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:38 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for Network Equipment
Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005


I'm not sure there's a mechanism for this now that the ballot is out
but... Can we hold off on this a few days?

I have a potential source for FREE APs. I'm trying to determine with
Tim, whether they would measure up to his standards. They are A/B/G's,
SNMP manageable, etc... but the devil's in the details.

And best of all they will be FREE! ! !

Can I have a few days to look into this?

(the budget needs all the help it can get).

john

P.S. If this offer for FREE APs doesn't come to pass, I still have some
reservations (even though I agreed to second). I would want to see a
budget (no blank checks please) and I still have reservations about
giving away wireless cards (again, budget, and liability concerns).

john


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET] 
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 6:49 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for Network Equipment
Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005


Dear EC Members,

This is a email ballot to make a determination on the below motion.

Motion: 
"Whereas our Network Manager, Tim Godfrey, has recommended that we
proceed with acquisition of the 802.11a modules for our Cisco 1200 APs
that are not currently so equipped, and that we make an effort to
encourage our attendees to migrate to 802.11a for reduced congestion:  
 

I move that we proceed to acquire those additional 802.11a modules (20),
and further that we investigate a promotional deal to encourage more of
our attendees to upgrade to Tri-Mode (802.11b, 11g, 11a) interface
cards, which would also allow us to regulate client transmit power
levels in dense configurations.  Terms of deal will be reviewed with the
Network Services Advisory Committee, and presented for final approval by
the 802 EC prior to implementation." 


Moved: Rigsbee
Second: Hawkins

The ballot opens 7PM ET Sunday 24 July 2005 and closes Friday 19 August
2005 
2005.

Regards,

--Paul Nikolich


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