Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Membership & Meeting P&P
Geoff -
The "balloting group" wording would certainly help.
Regards,
Tony
At 22:30 04/05/2005, Geoff Thompson wrote:
Tony/Mat
I suggest we "improve" the clarity about who gets to vote in WG
ballot recircs by adopting wording that is similar to what goes on in
Sponsor Balloting (e.g. the "balloting group" is the WG
membership at the time the document is voted out to ballot -OR- at the
time the ballot is opened). In that way we will further the aspect of WG
balloting that is "training" for Sponsor Ballot.
I support in broad principle Tony's concept of cutting off recircs that
go on forever.
Geoff
At 10:36 AM 5/4/2005 +0100, Tony Jeffree wrote:
At 15:11 02/05/2005, Sherman,
Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
Dear EC members,
Attached you will find the text for an LMSC P&P revision ballot on
WG
Membership & Meeting Policies and Procedures. This ballot was
approved
at the Friday March 18, 2005 EC meeting. The text is identical to
that
presented at the meeting (but changes have been highlighted).
The
purpose and rationale for the ballot are as given in the attached
ballot
document.
Ballot Duration: 5/2/2005 - 6/2/2005 @ 11:59 PM EST
WG/TAG chairs, please distribute this P&P revision ballot to
your
groups, and invite them to comment through you. Please direct any
comments on this revision to the reflector for collection.
Thanks & Regards,
Mat -
A couple of initial comments - I may have more once the WG has had a
chance to respond.
While most of what I see here is great, there are a couple of issues that
force me to vote Disapprove, but I will be happy to change to Approve if
they are addressed to my satisfaction.
Firstly, the wording around which Interim can be substituted for which
Plenary seems to be unnecessarily convoluted, and seeps to have appeared
out of nowhere (no recollection of this being discussed in the context of
this change before). Apart from anything else, it will be a total PIA to
have to check whether an interim falls within or without 3 months of a
Plenary that the voter didn't have attendance credit for, and for
practical purposes, I don't believe that is how the WG Chairs will
evaluate attendance even if these words are approved (I certainly will
not - updating voting lists already takes way too much time, and this
particular change would be a pain to automate). So I would need the
wording to be changed so that there is no restriction on which Plenary an
interim is deemed to be a substitute for. I don't believe that this makes
any significant change to the overall effect of the membership rule, so
there is no good reason to keep it as stated in your draft.
Secondly, I believe that we should fix the current lack of clarity in the
rules about who is/is not eligible to vote in recirculations. I believe
that WGs currently restrict the voting list in recircs to the set of
voters that were eligible at the start of the ballot (this is logical -
in effect, the recirc is a continuation of the original ballot process.
However, I have already had one comment back from my WG offering the
opinion that some WGs use this approach effectively to disenfranchise new
voters, and suggesting that we cap the number of recircs at 3, forcing a
new full WG ballot if 3 recircs doesn't fix the problem. I'm not sure
that I agree with that proposal, but we could certainly add clarity to
our rules by explicitly stating what the voting rule is here (which is
currently not done).
The text of 7.2.4.2.2 currently contains the only words we have on
recircs, viz:
"There is a recirculation requirement. For guidance on the
recirculation process see subclause 5.4.3.2 Resolution of comments,
objections, and negative votes in the IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations
Manual."
I would propose we change it thusly:
"There is a recirculation requirement. For guidance on the
recirculation process see subclause 5.4.3.2 Resolution of comments,
objections, and negative votes in the IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations
Manual. Only those WG participants that were voting
members of the WG at the time that a WG letter ballot was started are
entitled to vote on recirculations of that ballot."
Thirdly, I support the improvements proposed by Geoff T.
Regards,
Tony
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