Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ENDS 29 MAR+++ motion to approve contributi...
Regarding the comments of Jerry and Mike:
*Both Jerry and Mike are opposed to the sentence that was added due
to a suggestion at the EC meeting ("Additionally, the IEEE 802.20
Working Group is developing mobile broadband wireless standards that,
upon their completion, may be submitted to Working Party 8A."). I
checked with Bob O'Hara, and he said that deleting the sentence will
resolve his comment that requested some editing of the insertion.
Given the sentiments expressed, I suggest that the sentence be
deleted.
*I agree with Mike's point (2) and would propose to accommodate it by
changing "Draft IEEE Standard 802.16e-???? " to "IEEE Draft P802.16e".
*I agree with Mike's point (3) [raised by Jerry also] and would
propose to accommodate it by deleting "and regulatory". I consider
this an editorial change; the document already says that "it is not
intended to deal with... any regulatory issues".
Roger
At 17:14 -0500 2005-03-23, Mike Takefman wrote:
>Dear EC Members,
>
>I have reviewed the proposed liaison and some of the email
>traffic with regard to it.
>
>I am prepared to approve the letter with the following
>observations.
>
>1) While I have sympathy for the addition wrt 802.20 that
>Joanne requested at the EC, I believe it may be inappropriate
>for the EC to add it as an editorial change. If the removal
>of this phrase is needed to get majority approval it
>should be removed.
>
>While it is obvious to me that 802.20 should want to be
>included in any such work, it is their responsability to
>bring forth such a letter. Should it be removed, I
>encourage Joanne to send such a liaison at the next 802.20
>session and I look forward to observing the result.
>
>2) The following is a nit, and I am prepared to
>follow the majority if its a no-op to them.
>
>802.17 had many communications with ITU-T SG 15 over
>the course of our development. We tended to refer to
>Draft P802.17 or Draft P802.17-DX.Y (whatever the current
>revision) rather then Draft 802.17-????. I believe
>it is more correct to refer to Draft 802.16e (or Draft
>802.16e.LocalDraftNamingConvention) as there will never be
>a Draft 802.16e-200X since the suffic is added once it is
>approved as a standard.
>
>3) I believe that the removal of "and regulatory" from
>the phrase "technical and regulatory experts" is appropriate
>unless Mr. Lynch can state that his group had reviewed
>and approved the liaison.
>
>4) As to the overlap of scope with 802.16e and 802.20 I
>was reminding by Gary Robinson at the 802-SAB joint meeting
>that the original reason for the existance of dot groups was
>overlap of scope on basic wired MACs and the inability of a
>single MAC to be selected in 802.
>
>So the fact that the projects have some overlap is nothing
>new to 802 and I don't see it as a reason to delay an
>ongoing liaison activity.
>
>cheers,
>
>mike
>
>Jerry1upton@AOL.COM wrote:
>>I vote disapprove.
>>
>>I object to the additional of the below sentence in the revision of the
>>proposed letter. The sentence implies the support of the 802.20 Working
>>Group for this letter. The members of 802.20 had no opportunity to
>>review this letter at the Plenary. I ask that this sentence be removed
>>as an editorial revision. There were at least two requests from 802.20
>>members as observers at the EC meeting including the request for adding
>>this sentence and a request to remove the last paragraph of the letter.
>>However, without a review by all the 802.20 members I cannot support
>>this addition.
>>"Additionally, the IEEE 802.20 Working Group is developing mobile
>>broadband wireless standards that, upon their completion, may be
>>submitted to Working Party 8A. "
>>
>>I also object to sending this letter that puts forward a recommendation
>>for a standard that is not finished and formally approved. Additionally,
>>the specification is not freely available to all the member states of
>>the ITU yet. Therefore, the letter should not be sent until the above
>>steps are complete.
>>
>>The below phrase in the letter implies there was a cross Working Group
>>review of the content included in this letter. I saw no announcement of
>>such a review at the Plenary. It states it was prepared by regulatory
>>experts. Given Mike Lynch's second of the motion, it implies that 802.18
>>approved this letter. I do not believe 802.18 voted an approval of this
>>letter. However, I will defer to MIke for an answer on this point.
>>"The content herein was prepared by a group of technical and regulatory
>>experts in IEEE 802......"
>>
>>Finally, the letter does again clearly point out the overlap that the
>>revised 802.16e PAR has created with the 802.20 Working Group scope and
>>propose.
>>
>>Given the above points and my statements at the EC meeting, I vote
>>disapprove.
>>Regards,
>>Jerry Upton
>>Chair, 802.20
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 3/19/2005 11:07:50 AM Central Standard Time,
>>paul.nikolich@ATT.NET writes:
>>
>> Dear EC Members,
>>
>> This is a email ballot to make a determination on the below motion.
>>
>> Motion: "To approve IEEE 802.16-05/028r2 with the intent to submit
>> to ITU-R
>> as an IEEE contribution, subject to editorial revision."
>> Moved: Roger Marks
>> Second: Mike Lynch
>>
>> The ballot opens noon ET Saturday 19 March 2005 and closes Tuesday
>> 29 March
>> 2005.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --Paul Nikolich
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roger B. Marks" <r.b.marks@ieee.org>
>> To: <p.nikolich@ieee.org>
>> Cc: <mjlynch@NORTELNETWORKS.COM>; <costa@nortel.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:40 PM
>> Subject: request for 10-day EC ballot
>>
>>
>> > Paul,
>> >
>> > I request a 10-day EC ballot on the following motion:
>> >
>> > "To approveas an intended contribution from
>> > IEEE to ITU-R, subject to editorial revision".
>> >
>> > The document title is "Proposed Working Document towards a
>> > Preliminary Draft New Recommendation ITU-R M.[8A/BWA]".
>> >
>> > This issue was deferred from a motion at the EC meeting today.
>> >
>> > Mr. Lynch seconds the motion.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Roger
>>
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