Re: [802SEC] ************** Straw Poll on EC Teleconferences ***************...
Steve,
FYI, I largely concur. I plan to leave the text in for now, but
depending on responses Monday will probably remove the text on
teleconference prior to the final ballot.
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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Stephen J
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All,
The working groups get a lot of work done during telecoms, but
there is never any voting during these telecoms. I believe we have used
telecoms effectively for reviewing and discussing the rules changes.
However, we have not done any voting during these calls.
I think we should make good use of telecoms; however, I don't
believe there is any need to vote during a telecom. We can always run
an electronic letter ballot after the telecom.
Regards,
Steve
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[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Tony Jeffree
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Roger -
I agree - I made my concerns pretty clear when the idea of having rules
change meetings by telecon was suggested - I believe that they are
basically an opportunity to disenfranchise participants from the
process.
Regards,
Tony
At 19:15 09/03/2005, Roger B. Marks wrote:
>Jerry,
>
>I agree with your point (2), but a bit more strongly. I will be
>opposed to any P&P change authorizing telecons. A procedure for an
>alternate would not address my concerns.
>
>When I submitted my ballot comment, I was also thinking about the
>problem of alternates. However, instead of thinking of telecons, I
>was thinking of the case in which an EC can't attend a meeting. I
>suggested that, in this case, the member could participate by phone.
>Here is a repeat of my comment:
>
>>(5) Regarding 7.1.5.2 ("Meetings by Teleconference"), I don't think
>>we need them and I am opposed to holding them. They might make sense
>>in an emergency, but they couldn't be used in an emergency because of
>>the 30-day notice required in this rule. The rule also fails to
>>specify who is entitled to call such a meeting, and on what grounds.
>>A better issue to address regarding telephone meetings is a provision
>>to allow telephone participation in EC meetings by members who are
>>ill, etc.
>>
>>Remedy: Delete 7.1.5.2. At the end of the first paragraph of 7.1.5,
>>add "Members of the Executive Committee may participate in and vote
>>in EC meetings by telephone if unable to attend due to illness or
>>other extraordinary circumstance."
>
>Roger
>
>
>At 13:12 -0500 2005-03-09, Jerry1upton@AOL.COM wrote:
>>
>>Mat,
>>I request that we vote the "Meetings by Teleconference" as a
>>separate item from the overall proposed changes.
>>My past experience on other "Boards" gives me significant concerns
>>on this proposal.
>>
>>1. Regardless of the notice given, people travel and are unavailable
>>for the calls at the times scheduled. Other Boards address this
>>issue by having assigned alternates who can vote for the primary
>>person. In our case we have no alternates to vote for us. Other
>>Boards also set a higher level of approval votes for teleconference
>>votes. For example 50% Yes votes of all eligible members regardless
>>of how many members are on the call is used by some organizations.
>>
>>2. We already have two methods/venues for voting. We vote at Plenary
>>sessions. We vote by email ballot including ballots of short
>>duration. Therefore I do not see the reason for another method
>>particularly without addressing the concerns in point number 1.
>>
>>Therefore I would currently oppose this P&P change.
>>Regards,
>>Jerry Upton
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 2/20/2005 4:32:16 PM Central Standard Time,
>>matthew.sherman@BAESYSTEMS.COM writes:
>>
>>EC Members,
>>
>>I am concerned that opposition on certain subtopics of the EC
>>Membership and Meetings' P&P Revision ballot may be so strong as to
>>defeat the whole ballot. Accordingly I wish to conduct a quick
>>strawpoll on the following.
>>
>>Is your opposition to the following text so strong that you would
>>vote against the 'EC Membership and Meetings' revision ballot
>>regardless of its other content?
>>
>>7.1.5.2 Meetings by Teleconference
>>
>>Teleconference meetings of the EC may be held. Any teleconference
>>meeting where formal business is conducted shall be announced along
>>with an agenda identifying topics to be addressed 30 days in advance
>>on the EC reflector. No formal actions can be taken on items not
>>included on the announced agenda. The teleconference shall be
>>announced by the EC Chair or his designee. Quorum and voting
>>requirements of section 7.1.4 shall apply. Openness requirements
>>apply.
>>
>>
>>If the answer to this question is yes, please send me a quick e-mail
>>so I can tally the opposition. If the answer is no, you need not
>>reply.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Mat
>>
>>
>>Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
>>
>>Senior Member Technical Staff
>>
>>BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>>
>>Office: +1 973.633.6344
>>
>>email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
>>
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