Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Voting Rules
Tony,
I am fine with "The Chair of the Working Group decides
procedural issues." That leaves it up to the chair on whether to hold a
vote.
Steve
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[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Tony Jeffree
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Voting Rules
Mike -
I agree with you.
Steve -
I believe the old wording on procedural issues was far preferable -
namely:
"The Chair of the Working Group decides procedural issues."
Clearly, within that definition, the Chair is at liberty to seek the
help
of the WG in deciding such issues if he/she sees fit, as is routinely
done
in many working groups already. However, it usefully means that the WG
doesn't have to take a vote in order to break for coffee.
I think this is definitely a case of "if it ain't broke..."
Regards,
Tony
At 11:33 09/02/2005, Mike Takefman wrote:
>I disagree with Steve on this one, a WG chair has
>always been able to vote at meetings on all issues
>unless otherwise amended by WG rules.
>
>Personally, I refuse to be disinfranchised from
>making technical decisions at meetings.
>
>mike
>
>Shellhammer, Stephen J wrote:
>>Matt,
>>
>>
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>> I vote Disapprove.
>>
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>>
>> My comments
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>>
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>>Procedural matters put by the Chair to the group may be decided by a
>>majority vote.
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>>
>>
>> This is vague. Procedure matters are either decided by a
>>majority or not. Saying it ?may? be decided by majority implies that
>>the chair can choose between 75% and a majority. The text should read
>>?Procedural matters put by the Chair to the group are decided by a
majority?
>>
>>
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>>The Working Group Chair may vote at meetings.
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>>
>>
>> This implies that the Chair can vote on any matter during
a
>>meeting. It is my impression that the rules typically only allow the
>>Chair to vote if the Chair?s vote changes the outcome of the vote. I
>>believe that the rules should read in that manner. I believe the 802
>>Chair voting rules are that way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Numerical vote tallies must be taken on all matters that
>>will be brought before the EC.
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>>
>>
>> Good. I like that.
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>
>>
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>>*From:* owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]
>>*On Behalf Of *Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
>>*Sent:* Friday, January 07, 2005 9:02 PM
>>*To:* STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>>*Subject:* [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Voting Rules
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear EC members,
>>
>>Attached you will find the text for an LMSC P&P revision ballot on WG
>>Voting Rules. This ballot was approved at the Friday November 19, 2004
>>EC meeting. The text is identical to that presented at the meeting.
The
>>purpose and rationale for the ballot are as given in the attached
ballot
>>document.
>>
>>Ballot Duration: 1/8/2005 - 2/8/2005 @ 11:59 PM EST
>>
>>WG/TAG chairs, please distribute this P&P revision ballot to your
>>groups, and invite them to comment through you.
>>
>>Thanks & Regards,
>>
>>Mat
>>
>><<802.0-WG_Voting_Rules-P&P_Revision_ballot.pdf>>
>>
>>Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
>>
>>Senior Member Technical Staff
>>
>>BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>>
>>Office: +1 973.633.6344
>>
>>email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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