Tony,
Other organizations I
believe do manage to conduct business via telecon across multiple continents.
Generally it means making a commitment to inconvenience ourselves from
time to time, and have a rotating Time schedule. Right now we are only
dealing with 2 continents, so I think a fixed schedule can be made to work.
I'm willing to move the calls to Thursdays from 11 AM to 1 PM EST if it
helps.
Does anyone else have
comment on this before I move the meetings?
Thanks,
Mat
Matthew
Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical
Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1
973.633.6344
email:
matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
From:
Tony Jeffree [mailto:tony@jeffree.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, January 08,
2005 9:55 AM
To: Sherman,
Matthew J. (US SSA)
Cc:
STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Of Ballots and
Telecons....
Matt -
Because of my schedule, it would need to
finish before 5pm on a Friday (and preferably earlier than that). However,
that clearly gives the West Coast a problem. (Although I'm afraid the real
problem is attempting to use telecons at all - see below).
Any other
day of the week (Mon through Thurs) I wouldn't have a problem with the timings
you propose, as I am often still working at that time, although my preference
would be to shift them back 1/2 hour to finish by 6PM UK time.
In my
view, if we think we are going to be credible as an International SDO, we had
better not get entrenched in *any* working pattern that effectively
disenfranchises participation outside of the North American timezones. For
this reason, I don't believe that telecons are a generally acceptable tool -
as a means of dealing with "firefighting" type problems (such as the
discussions around 802.11/Chinese delegation), they have their place, but I
have to say I am concerned about their increasing use for transacting "normal"
business, both in SEC and the WGs. At some point in the future, we may well
have SEC members from Australasia (for
example) that are going to find it totally impossible to participate in such
meetings; we must already have that problem with the present WG use of
telecons. I am therefore surprised that we haven't already seen pushback in
(for example) 802.11, where they are in frequent use at the
moment.
Regards,
Tony
At 14:31 08/01/2005, Sherman, Matthew J. (US
SSA) wrote:
Tony,
Because
of my work schedule I'm trying to find something on Friday. I'm open to
other suggestions. The problem is the west coast. I'm also open to
an alternating schedule. It is early enough I can still change the time
of the announce meeting. Please
suggest....
Thanks,
Mat
Matthew
Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical
Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email:
matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
From:
owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Tony Jeffree
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 4:35
AM
To:
STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Of Ballots and
Telecons....
Mat -
Slight problem with the
time zone calcs there - it is Fridays, 4:30 - 6:30 UK time, but
that doesn't help me much. Still a very unfriendly time for
me.
Regards,
Tony
At 08:46 08/01/2005, Tony Jeffree wrote:
Mat -
In the
spirit of internationalization that seems to be high in our consciousness at
the moment, I strongly object to your choice of time for telecons (that works
out as Friday, 6:30PM through 8:30 PM UK time), which is a maximally
unfriendly time for me, being well after normal working hours at the start of
a weekend. If the timing remains there, my chances of making any of these
telecons is very slim indeed, so I regard that choice as effectively
disenfranchising me from the
process.
Regards,
Tony
At 05:38
08/01/2005, Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
wrote:
Folks,
I realize
I'm pummeling everyone with all these ballots and telecons. I do want to
be as accommodating as possible.
For various reasons, Fridays work out best for me to hold these
meetings. I chose lunch time because I felt it was a reasonable
compromise between all the time zones. I am open to other
times if people feel they would work
better. Please let me know if there are
preferences.
One last point. I notice
that some EC members seem never to
participate in the P&P revision process. I was
hoping that the telecom format would ease that issue somewhat. I've also
suggested sending delegates to the comment resolution to help ease the
load. If people chose not to participate, I think it's bad but I can
accept it. What I really don't want is that we spend
months discussing things and resolving things and then someone who didn't
participate in the process objects at the final vote. I am hoping that
people who choose not to participate will give those that did the benefit of
the doubt and not block their work when the final vote comes.
I am
also open to other ideas for making the process more convenient and easier for
everyone. Right now, this is the best I can come up with given the goals
we have set. Please let me know if you have comments on the
process.
Regards,
Mat
Matthew
Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical
Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1
973.633.6344
email:
matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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