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Re: [802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations



I totally agree with Tony. Other organizations make a commitment to their members to hold Non-North American meetings.
Jerry Upton
 
 
In a message dated 12/16/2004 10:22:13 AM Central Standard Time, tony@JEFFREE.CO.UK writes:
Bob -

How about we change "consider holding" to "hold" in that second sentence?
We've *considered* holding overseas plenary meetings for many years - what
we need is the commitment to actually do it.

Regards,
Tony

At 15:46 16/12/2004, Bob Heile wrote:
>All the wireless groups already hold a non North America interim meeting
>at least once a year. 802 should consider holding a non North America
>plenary at least once a year.
>
>
>
>
>At 08:13 AM 12/15/2004 -0500, Mike Takefman wrote:
>>Fellow EC Members,
>>
>>I seem to recall that there was a proposed solution to this
>>issue (which I believe came from Matt originally, and agreed
>>to in principle at our all-802 hosted Interim in Vancouver
>>a year or so ago).
>>
>>Lets hold one 802-sponsored all-WG interim session each year
>>outside of North America.
>>
>>This gives us flexibility to get it done before 2009 or whenever
>>there are free plenary slots.
>>
>>cheers,
>>
>>mike
>>
>>Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
>>>I support Mat's proposal.  We need to do this, even if it "costs" more
>>>and I think we need to think in terms of the costs to our non-US
>>>participants who have been footing the bill for travel cost (and time)
>>>here for the meetings.
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>     *From:* owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org
>>>     [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] *On Behalf Of
>>>     *Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:05 PM
>>>     *To:* STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations
>>>
>>>     Guys,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     I?ve been pushing to have more international locations for at least
>>>     8 months now.  The biggest issue I?ve heard is costs.  I really
>>>     don?t want to hear that issue any more.  I think there is a cost
>>>     associated with being an ?International? standards organization, and
>>>     we have to face it.  I voted against some locations at the last
>>>     meeting partly because no international options were presented.  In
>>>     fact, only one option was presented for each session location.  I
>>>     don?t think this is acceptable, and I don?t think we should even
>>>     consider voting on the location of a session unless multiple options
>>>     are available.  Further I think at least one international option
>>>     per session should be presented before we vote to approve a session
>>>     location. I?d also like to see us insist on one international
>>>     plenary a year.  I recognize this will raise costs, and add
>>>     complexity, but I think it is part of the cost of being an
>>>     international standards body, and we have to face it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Mat
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
>>>     Senior Member Technical Staff
>>>     BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>>>     Office: +1 973.633.6344
>>>     email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>     *From:* owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org
>>>     [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] *On Behalf Of *Stuart
>>>     Kerry
>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:24 PM
>>>     *To:* STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>>>     *Subject:* [802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     802 ExCom Members,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     I am forwarding the attached email to you all from a member of my
>>>     Working Group (Bruce Kraemer), who raises genuine concerns over the
>>>     locations of future 802 Plenary sessions. He has addressed an issue
>>>     that has been raised that is dear to my heart in connection with our
>>>     recent ISO effort, which respect to our work as an International
>>>     body, and therefore I offer this to you in support, for your
>>>     comments and views.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     I also ask that you add Bruce to your email replies as he is not on
>>>     the ExCom reflector.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     / Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     _______________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Stuart J. Kerry
>>>
>>>     Chair, IEEE 802.11 WLANs WG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Philips Semiconductors, Inc.
>>>
>>>     1109 McKay Drive, M/S 48A SJ,
>>>
>>>     San Jose, CA 95131-1706,
>>>
>>>     United States of America.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Ph : +1 (408) 474-7356
>>>
>>>     Fax: +1 (408) 474-5343
>>>
>>>     Cell: +1 (408) 348-3171
>>>
>>>     eMail: stuart.kerry@philips.com <mailto:stuart.kerry@philips.com>
>>>
>>>     _______________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>     *From:* Bruce Kraemer [mailto:bruce.kraemer@conexant.com]
>>>     *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2004 6:10 AM
>>>     *To:* p.nikolich@ieee.org
>>>     *Cc:* jesse.walker@intel.com; everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com;
>>>     owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org; Stuart Kerry
>>>     *Subject:* Plenary Meeting locations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Dear SEC,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        1. I was checking meeting dates and noticed that all of the
>>>           upcoming 802 Plenaries are scheduled for US locations through
>>>           *2009! *(I include Vancouver)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        2. I also noted the following news article last week from China
>>>           Tech News. While highly biased it does illustrate my point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     *WAPI Proposal Finally Acknowledged By International Organization*
>>>     December 9, 2004
>>>
>>>     *After many ups and downs, the Chinese-sponsored WAPI (Wireless LAN
>>>     Authentication and Privacy Infrastructure) standard has seen a new
>>>     twist--it has finally been acknowledged by the International
>>>     Standardization Organization during the ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 session. *
>>>     WAPI will be pushed within ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 along with America's
>>>     IEEE 802.11i, and WAPI will be put on the agenda of the SC 6 WG1
>>>     meeting scheduled for February 2005.
>>>     Local reports say that the Chinese delegation successfully made
>>>     their bid by forcing the US side to issue a statement that both WAPI
>>>     and 802.11i can be deployed together.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        3. Although the IEEE 802 may wish to call itself an
>>>           inter-national standards body it has been pointed out many
>>>           times that such a view is not universally held. 802 needs to
>>>           seriously consider changing meeting venues as one means to
>>>           back up the rhetoric. The individual working groups have been
>>>           more proactive in distributing their meeting locations which
>>>           obviously helps but is not sufficient. Please consider
>>>           including inter-national 802 plenary  locations as soon as
>>>           possible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Regards,
>>>
>>>     Bruce Kraemer
>>>
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>>
>>--
>>Michael Takefman              tak@cisco.com
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>Bob Heile, Ph.D
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Regards,
Tony

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