I totally agree with Tony. Other organizations make a commitment to their members to hold Non-North American meetings.
Jerry Upton
In a message dated 12/16/2004 10:22:13 AM Central Standard Time, tony@JEFFREE.CO.UK writes:
Bob -
How about we change "consider holding" to "hold" in that second sentence? We've *considered* holding overseas plenary meetings for many years - what we need is the commitment to actually do it.
Regards, Tony
At 15:46 16/12/2004, Bob Heile wrote: >All the wireless groups already hold a non North America interim meeting >at least once a year. 802 should consider holding a non North America >plenary at least once a year. > > > > >At 08:13 AM 12/15/2004 -0500, Mike Takefman wrote: >>Fellow EC Members, >> >>I seem to recall that there was a proposed solution to this >>issue (which I believe came from Matt originally, and agreed >>to in principle at our all-802 hosted Interim in Vancouver >>a year or so ago). >> >>Lets hold one 802-sponsored all-WG interim session each year >>outside of North America. >> >>This gives us flexibility to get it done before 2009 or whenever >>there are free plenary slots. >> >>cheers, >> >>mike >> >>Carl R. Stevenson wrote: >>>I support Mat's proposal. We need to do this, even if it "costs" more >>>and I think we need to think in terms of the costs to our non-US >>>participants who have been footing the bill for travel cost (and time) >>>here for the meetings. >>> >>>Carl >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org >>> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] *On Behalf Of >>> *Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:05 PM >>> *To:* STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org >>> *Subject:* Re: [802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations >>> >>> Guys, >>> >>> >>> >>> I?ve been pushing to have more international locations for at least >>> 8 months now. The biggest issue I?ve heard is costs. I really >>> don?t want to hear that issue any more. I think there is a cost >>> associated with being an ?International? standards organization, and >>> we have to face it. I voted against some locations at the last >>> meeting partly because no international options were presented. In >>> fact, only one option was presented for each session location. I >>> don?t think this is acceptable, and I don?t think we should even >>> consider voting on the location of a session unless multiple options >>> are available. Further I think at least one international option >>> per session should be presented before we vote to approve a session >>> location. I?d also like to see us insist on one international >>> plenary a year. I recognize this will raise costs, and add >>> complexity, but I think it is part of the cost of being an >>> international standards body, and we have to face it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mat >>> >>> >>> >>> Matthew Sherman, Ph.D. >>> Senior Member Technical Staff >>> BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR >>> Office: +1 973.633.6344 >>> email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org >>> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] *On Behalf Of *Stuart >>> Kerry >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:24 PM >>> *To:* STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org >>> *Subject:* [802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations >>> >>> >>> >>> 802 ExCom Members, >>> >>> >>> >>> I am forwarding the attached email to you all from a member of my >>> Working Group (Bruce Kraemer), who raises genuine concerns over the >>> locations of future 802 Plenary sessions. He has addressed an issue >>> that has been raised that is dear to my heart in connection with our >>> recent ISO effort, which respect to our work as an International >>> body, and therefore I offer this to you in support, for your >>> comments and views. >>> >>> >>> >>> I also ask that you add Bruce to your email replies as he is not on >>> the ExCom reflector. >>> >>> >>> >>> / Stuart >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> Stuart J. Kerry >>> >>> Chair, IEEE 802.11 WLANs WG >>> >>> >>> >>> Philips Semiconductors, Inc. >>> >>> 1109 McKay Drive, M/S 48A SJ, >>> >>> San Jose, CA 95131-1706, >>> >>> United States of America. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ph : +1 (408) 474-7356 >>> >>> Fax: +1 (408) 474-5343 >>> >>> Cell: +1 (408) 348-3171 >>> >>> eMail: stuart.kerry@philips.com <mailto:stuart.kerry@philips.com> >>> >>> _______________________________ >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Bruce Kraemer [mailto:bruce.kraemer@conexant.com] >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2004 6:10 AM >>> *To:* p.nikolich@ieee.org >>> *Cc:* jesse.walker@intel.com; everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com; >>> owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org; Stuart Kerry >>> *Subject:* Plenary Meeting locations >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear SEC, >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. I was checking meeting dates and noticed that all of the >>> upcoming 802 Plenaries are scheduled for US locations through >>> *2009! *(I include Vancouver) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. I also noted the following news article last week from China >>> Tech News. While highly biased it does illustrate my point. >>> >>> >>> >>> *WAPI Proposal Finally Acknowledged By International Organization* >>> December 9, 2004 >>> >>> *After many ups and downs, the Chinese-sponsored WAPI (Wireless LAN >>> Authentication and Privacy Infrastructure) standard has seen a new >>> twist--it has finally been acknowledged by the International >>> Standardization Organization during the ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 session. * >>> WAPI will be pushed within ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 along with America's >>> IEEE 802.11i, and WAPI will be put on the agenda of the SC 6 WG1 >>> meeting scheduled for February 2005. >>> Local reports say that the Chinese delegation successfully made >>> their bid by forcing the US side to issue a statement that both WAPI >>> and 802.11i can be deployed together. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 3. Although the IEEE 802 may wish to call itself an >>> inter-national standards body it has been pointed out many >>> times that such a view is not universally held. 802 needs to >>> seriously consider changing meeting venues as one means to >>> back up the rhetoric. The individual working groups have been >>> more proactive in distributing their meeting locations which >>> obviously helps but is not sufficient. Please consider >>> including inter-national 802 plenary locations as soon as >>> possible. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Bruce Kraemer >>> >>> ---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email >>> reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv. ---------- This >>> email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This >>> list is maintained by Listserv. >>> >>>---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email >>>reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv. >> >> >>-- >>Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com >>Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Systems >>Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG >>3000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8 >>voice: 613-254-3399 cell:613-220-6991 >> >>---------- >>This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email >>reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv. > > > >Bob Heile, Ph.D >Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Personal Area Networks >Chair, ZigBee Alliance >11 Louis Road >Attleboro, MA 02703 USA >Mobile: 781-929-4832 >Fax: 508-222-0515 >email: bheile@ieee.org >---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email >reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv.
Regards, Tony
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