Re: [802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations
I agree that we should try to make it a plenary.
The suggestion being that for the next few years it
might not be possible to move a plenary because of contractual
committments, we should do an all 802 interim.
An interesting question is whether people would have an
issue with multiple hotels for each of the groups. Given
that it is not a plenary, there is no need for the
extra large meeting spaces for all 802 meetings.
It might be easy to put .1/.3/.17 in one hotel and
wireless in the other. This worked just fine in vancouver
as far as I am concerned.
Note: from a personal perspective, I don't really want to
travel that far to an interim since all of my participants
at North American, but if its the right thing to do for 802
I might be able to sell it.
mike
Bob Heile wrote:
> All the wireless groups already hold a non North America interim meeting
> at least once a year. 802 should consider holding a non North America
> plenary at least once a year.
>
>
>
>
> At 08:13 AM 12/15/2004 -0500, Mike Takefman wrote:
>
>> Fellow EC Members,
>>
>> I seem to recall that there was a proposed solution to this
>> issue (which I believe came from Matt originally, and agreed
>> to in principle at our all-802 hosted Interim in Vancouver
>> a year or so ago).
>>
>> Lets hold one 802-sponsored all-WG interim session each year
>> outside of North America.
>>
>> This gives us flexibility to get it done before 2009 or whenever
>> there are free plenary slots.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> mike
>>
>> Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
>>
>>> I support Mat's proposal. We need to do this, even if it "costs" more
>>> and I think we need to think in terms of the costs to our non-US
>>> participants who have been footing the bill for travel cost (and time)
>>> here for the meetings.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org
>>> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:05 PM
>>> *To:* STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I?ve been pushing to have more international locations for at least
>>> 8 months now. The biggest issue I?ve heard is costs. I really
>>> don?t want to hear that issue any more. I think there is a cost
>>> associated with being an ?International? standards organization, and
>>> we have to face it. I voted against some locations at the last
>>> meeting partly because no international options were presented. In
>>> fact, only one option was presented for each session location. I
>>> don?t think this is acceptable, and I don?t think we should even
>>> consider voting on the location of a session unless multiple options
>>> are available. Further I think at least one international option
>>> per session should be presented before we vote to approve a session
>>> location. I?d also like to see us insist on one international
>>> plenary a year. I recognize this will raise costs, and add
>>> complexity, but I think it is part of the cost of being an
>>> international standards body, and we have to face it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mat
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
>>> Senior Member Technical Staff
>>> BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>>> Office: +1 973.633.6344
>>> email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org
>>> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] *On Behalf Of *Stuart
>>> Kerry
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:24 PM
>>> *To:* STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>>> *Subject:* [802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 802 ExCom Members,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am forwarding the attached email to you all from a member of my
>>> Working Group (Bruce Kraemer), who raises genuine concerns over the
>>> locations of future 802 Plenary sessions. He has addressed an issue
>>> that has been raised that is dear to my heart in connection with our
>>> recent ISO effort, which respect to our work as an International
>>> body, and therefore I offer this to you in support, for your
>>> comments and views.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I also ask that you add Bruce to your email replies as he is not on
>>> the ExCom reflector.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> / Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stuart J. Kerry
>>>
>>> Chair, IEEE 802.11 WLANs WG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Philips Semiconductors, Inc.
>>>
>>> 1109 McKay Drive, M/S 48A SJ,
>>>
>>> San Jose, CA 95131-1706,
>>>
>>> United States of America.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ph : +1 (408) 474-7356
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> eMail: stuart.kerry@philips.com <mailto:stuart.kerry@philips.com>
>>>
>>> _______________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* Bruce Kraemer [mailto:bruce.kraemer@conexant.com]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2004 6:10 AM
>>> *To:* p.nikolich@ieee.org
>>> *Cc:* jesse.walker@intel.com; everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com;
>>> owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org; Stuart Kerry
>>> *Subject:* Plenary Meeting locations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear SEC,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. I was checking meeting dates and noticed that all of the
>>> upcoming 802 Plenaries are scheduled for US locations through
>>> *2009! *(I include Vancouver)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. I also noted the following news article last week from China
>>> Tech News. While highly biased it does illustrate my point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *WAPI Proposal Finally Acknowledged By International Organization*
>>> December 9, 2004
>>>
>>> *After many ups and downs, the Chinese-sponsored WAPI (Wireless LAN
>>> Authentication and Privacy Infrastructure) standard has seen a new
>>> twist--it has finally been acknowledged by the International
>>> Standardization Organization during the ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 session. *
>>> WAPI will be pushed within ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 along with America's
>>> IEEE 802.11i, and WAPI will be put on the agenda of the SC 6 WG1
>>> meeting scheduled for February 2005.
>>> Local reports say that the Chinese delegation successfully made
>>> their bid by forcing the US side to issue a statement that both WAPI
>>> and 802.11i can be deployed together.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. Although the IEEE 802 may wish to call itself an
>>> inter-national standards body it has been pointed out many
>>> times that such a view is not universally held. 802 needs to
>>> seriously consider changing meeting venues as one means to
>>> back up the rhetoric. The individual working groups have been
>>> more proactive in distributing their meeting locations which
>>> obviously helps but is not sufficient. Please consider
>>> including inter-national 802 plenary locations as soon as
>>> possible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Bruce Kraemer
>>>
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