Re: [802SEC] appointment of Geoff Thompson to postion of "Honorary Vice

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I would support Buzz’s suggestion with two caveats:

1) that these appointed positions be confirmed by the EC

2) that they not convey EC voting rights to the appointees

Carl

From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:43 PM
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Subject: RE: appointment of Geoff Thompson to postion of "Honorary Vice Chair"

Colleagues,

Why don't we create an "IEEE 802 Chair's Advisory Committee" with 0 or more members, appointed and removed at the Chair's discretion, and given the title, "Advisor to the IEEE 802 Chair". Then the chair can construct his own cabinet as he sees fit. We can use all the help we can get. But keep it simple, let the chair decide what is right for his own purposes.

Thanx, Buzz
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From: Shellhammer, Stephen J [mailto:stephen.j.shellhammer@intel.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:22 AM
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Subject: RE: appointment of Geoff Thompson to postion of "Honorary Vice Chair"

Question for Paul,

Since the title has changed from Honorary Vice Chair to something like Emeritus EC member, is it your intent to allow for only one Emeritus member of the EC or would you allow for more than one? If so, would there be a limit to the number of Emeritus members? Something to think about.

Steve

From: Carl R. Stevenson [mailto:wk3c@wk3c.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:23 AM
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Subject: RE: appointment of Geoff Thompson to postion of "Honarary Vice Chair"

With all due respect to Goeff’s long history of service to 802, irrefutably exceptional experience and wisdom, etc., I am inclined to agree with Tony’s comments.

I am also inclined to agree with Tony and Bob’s comments on the “term limits” issue. It seems to me that to rather arbitrarily force an experienced, well-performing official out of office, if their WG would otherwise wish them to continue to serve, serves only to force somewhat of a “reset” on the experience level/competence of our officers, and while “new blood” is also a good thing, I’m not sure the term limits serve the overall best interests of 802.

Regards,

Carl

From: Tony Jeffree [mailto:tony@jeffree.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:35 PM
To: Paul Nikolich
Cc: John Hawkins; ajayrajkumar@lucent.com; Bill Quackenbush; Bob Heile; bob.ohara@ieee.org; Carl Stevenson; Grow, Bob; Howard Frazier; Jerry1upton@aol.com; Mike Takefman; Paul Nikolich; Rigsbee, Everett O; Roger B. Marks; Shellhammer, Stephen J; Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA); stuart.kerry@philips.com; thompson@ieee.org
Subject: Re: appointment of Geoff Thompson to postion of "Honarary Vice Chair"

Paul -

I hate to be a "party pooper" here, but it is not clear to me what the motivation/objectives are here, and whether the job spec is approproiate. See comments interspersed below.

Regards,
Tony

At 16:21 19/10/2004, Paul Nikolich wrote:

Dear EC members,

I planning to appoint Geoff Thompson to the position of "Honarary Vice Chair". Even though this postion does not formally exist at this time, I have asked Mat Sherman to put it in the queue as a formal position within our P&P and would like to provisionally appoint Geoff to the position as soon as we have consenus among the EC, with the understanding that it would eventually be formally introduced into the P&P.

The tentative policies and procedures with regard to the position are set forth below. I would appreciate your input on the policies and whether you would support my appointment of Geoff to the role by the end of the week.

Assuming there is general agreement, I'll ask Mat to make a motion and we'll conduct an email ballot next week.

Regards,

--Paul Nikolich

Honorary Vice Chair P&P:

Scope: To provide advisory services to the EC, especially the Chairman. May be responsible for special projects. May act as an IEEE-SA standards board liaison representative and as a liaison with other organizations.

Sounds to me like a "Jack of all trades" position - why do this rather than a) use the advice of "senior" members of the organization as appropriate, and b) appoint specific people for special projects & liaison activities as needed?

Rights: Exactly the same as EC members, except it is a non-voting position. Cannot make or second motions.

We've been here before, and concluded that the Chair appointed positions (recording secretary etc.) would be hard to fill without them getting a vote. Why would we believe this position to be any different?

Responsibilities: Must attend EC meetings.

This is a more stringent requirement than we apply to the voting SEC members. Seems particularly onerous given the lack of a vote. Also somewhat at odds with the stated retention requirement which is much more relaxed.

Retention: Honorary membership will be lost if 802 attendance requirement is not met. Must fulfill obligations as defined by the EC Chair.

Appointment/Reconfirmation: Appointed by chair, confirmed by EC, must be reconfirmed at the 1st plenary session of even numbered years.

Duration: no limit

I've long considered the limited term rule for WG chairs to be utter BS. If we are abolishing it for this (and other appointed) position(s), then it is high time for the application of a spot of consistency. So while we are at it, we should delete the 5 term limit for WG chairs.

Open Postion: If the position is unoccupied, the Chair has the option of leaving the position open or recommending a person to fill it

Regards,
Tony

Re: [802SEC] appointment of Geoff Thompson to postion of "Honorary Vice Chair"