Re: [802SEC] Amended P&P text for Roll Call Vote Rules Change
Buzz,
I agree with you.
In the end, people make their own decisions, and the remainder
of us get to grouse after the fact.
The chair, WG, EC and so on up the chain will be forced to
distinguish if complaints and ultimately appeals get launched
based on things chairs do (or don't do). This has happened
in the past, and will happen in the future. The goal in
my mind is to try to insure the process is not just open and
fair, but seen to be open and fair.
mike
Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
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> Mike, Well, as they always say, "One man's art is another man's pornography. How do you distinguish the two ?"
>
> Thanx, Buzz
> Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Takefman [mailto:tak@cisco.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 11:41 AM
> To: Rigsbee, Everett O
> Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Amended P&P text for Roll Call Vote Rules Change
>
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>
> Buzz,
>
> I copied that text right out of Roberts where it was discussing
> divisions of the assembly. So that particular language has
> withstood a long time.
>
> Right now our P&P gives huge power to the chair without all
> that much guidance. The proposed text is clearly in line
> with that philosophy.
>
> The requirement to minute the chair's reasons gives sufficient
> details in the event that someone wants to protest that the
> chair is abusing their position.
>
> I think in the end, it is like pornography, or at least art.
>
> I don't know art, but I know what I hate!
>
> cheers,
>
> mike
>
> Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
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>>Mike, I think you're still going to have problems if you can't provide more specificity for what constitutes abuse.
>>
>>The WG Chair needs some guidelines for how/where to draw the line. It can't just be like pornography.
>>
>>Thanx, Buzz
>>Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
>>Boeing - SSG
>>PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
>>Seattle, WA 98124-2207
>>(425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
>>cell: (425) 417-1022
>>everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Takefman [mailto:tak@cisco.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 6:55 AM
>>To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
>>Subject: [802SEC] Amended P&P text for Roll Call Vote Rules Change
>>
>>
>>Dear EC Members and interested parties,
>>
>>In January a small Comment Resolution
>>group sat down and resolved the comments on the
>>Rules Change Ballot (which failed originally).
>>
>>These proposed changes will be discussed at the
>>sunday night rules change meeting in Orlando.
>>
>>I believe that this text provides a good compromise
>>on both allowing roll call votes and allowing the
>>chair to make progress in meetings by not being
>>swamped by roll call votes.
>>
>>I would like to have an straw poll on this new
>>text from EC members between now and the rules
>>change meeting. Please email me with your support or
>>concerns over this change.
>>
>>cheers,
>>
>>mike
>>
>
>
>
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