[802SEC] Ballot Results: Rules Change on Role Call Votes
Dear EC members,
Happy New Year.
The EC Rules Change ballot on Roll Call Votes closed
on December 30, 2003, and as shown below the ballot
currently fails.
If I have not recorded your current vote correctly, please
email me.
Buzz, Steve, I'll try to track you guys down in Vancouver
to discuss your positions if you can't attend the CR
session. But I would appreciate a quick email letting me
know where you stand on the issue.
Comment Resolution will be monday night following the SEC
adhoc.
Looking at the disapprove voters, it appears that 4 voters
could flip based on having provided remedies. However,
some of the remedies are not completely compatible. The
open discussion should be fun to see if there is
a consensus position :)
Other interesting information. I was sent a version
of Robert's (1915 4th edition) that describes the
division of the assembly that suggests the chair can
restrict division votes.
"A Division of the Assembly may be called for, without obtaining the
floor, at any time after the question has been put, even after the vote
has been announced and another has the floor, provided the vote was
taken viva voce, or by show of hands, and it is called for before
another motion has been made. This call, or motion, is made by saying,
"I call for a division," or "I doubt the vote," or simply by calling
out, "Division." It does not require a second, and cannot be debated, or
amended, or have any other subsidiary motion applied to it. As soon as a
division is called for, the chair proceeds again to take the vote, this
time by having the affirmative rise, and then when they are seated
having the negative rise. While any member has the right to insist upon
a rising vote, or a division, where there is any question as to the vote
being a true expression of the will of the assembly, the chair should
not permit this privilege to be abused to the annoyance of the assembly,
by members constantly demanding a division where there is a full vote
and no question as to which side is in the majority. It requires a
majority vote to order the vote to be counted, or to be taken by yeas
and nays (roll call) or by ballot. These motions are incidental to the
question that is pending or has just been pending, and cannot be debated."
Therefore, for those of you who believe that Roberts should be advisory
could extend the view on division to roll call votes thus suggesting
that a chair does have some discretion on roll call votes to refuse
the request if it is viewed as an annoyance or asked for constantly.
It also suggests though that the roll call vote can be requested by
anyone at anytime. My reading of this suggests that each side of the
WG gets a certain number of roll call votes before the chair gets
to shut them down. This would insure that one side could not "run
down the clock" on silly roll call votes such that the other side
could not request one.
cheers,
mike
Vote categories: DIS DNV APP Issues / Remedies
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01 Geoff Thompson DIS language,
non-member voting concern
possibly already solved
with RR
02 Mat Sherman APP >25%,
insure no restriction to
use on only technical
votes
03 Buzz Rigsbee DNV
04 Bob O'Hara DIS No limits based on time
No ability for chair to
restrict use of RR by
failing to recognize
request
05 Bill Quackenbush DIS language,
No limits based on time
>25%,
06 Tony Jeffree DIS RC votes to be held if 1
member requests it
07 Bob Grow APP >25% + language
08 Stuart Kerry DIS
09 Bob Heile APP
10 Roger Marks DIS
11 Mike Takefman APP
12 Carl Stevenson DIS
13 Steve Shellhammer DNV
14 Jerry Upton DIS
15 Paul Nikolich APP
total: -8- -2- -5-
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Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com
Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Systems
Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
3000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
voice: 613-254-3399 cell:613-220-6991
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Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com
Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Systems
Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
3000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
voice: 613-254-3399 cell:613-220-6991