[802SEC] Re: Florida Tax on LANs
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-Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: "Richard Brand" <rbrand@nortelnetworks.com>
Reply-To: rbrand@nortelnetworks.com
Organization: Nortel Networks
To: "Rigsbee, Everett O" <everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com>
CC: "Geoff Thompson" <gthompso@nortelnetworks.com>,
"Grow, Bob" <bob.grow@intel.com>, scarlson@hspdesign.com,
dawns@facetoface-events.com, p.nikolich@ieee.org,
802 Exec <stds-802-sec@ieee.org>
Subject: Re: Florida Tax on LANs
Dr.
The letter should encourage the elevation of taxes on deviant businesses
like Pure Platinum and those that support professional (not amateur) mud
wrestling.
Seriously though, are we going to consider the Gibson offer? I love to
see real applications and products that result from all of these hours
we spend in places like underground Dallas watching s--- kicking cowboy
bands.
Richard
"Rigsbee, Everett O" wrote:
> Whoa Guys, Let's not fly off the handle here !!! This sounds way
> too iffy to start canceling meetings over because there are BIG
> financial impacts to the group to do that. However, it sounds like it
> might be an excellent time to organize an electronic letter writing
> campaign that everyone can easily participate in to indicate our
> sincere displeasure with such a notion and implying that the result of
> adoption of such as policy would certainly be cancellation of all
> future meetings there.
>
> Thanx, Buzz
> Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing - SSG
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> (425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
> everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:08 PM
> To: Grow, Bob
> Cc: Rigsbee, Everett O; Geoff Thompson;
> scarlson@hspdesign.com; Richard Brand;
> dawns@facetoface-events.com; p.nikolich@ieee.org; 802 Exec
> Subject: RE: Florida Tax on LANs
>
> Bob-
>
> Sounds good to me.
>
> Should such discriminatory tax still be under consideration
> by the state of Florida when we convene in November, I would
> be happy to 2nd a motion to cancel scheduled 802 meetings in
> Florida and to send an appropriate advisory letter with
> copies to the Florida state chamber of commerce, the
> governor and the officers of the legislature.
>
> Buzz, please advise of the financial implications.
> (No, I do not want to spend March at DFW or in Albuquerque.)
>
> BTW speaking of taxes, when I was in Ireland I was told by
> our landlady at a B&B that the Irish government taxes
> citizens 40 Euros/year for each credit card they hold.
>
> Geoff
>
>
> At 05:01 PM 10/8/2003 -0700, Grow, Bob wrote:
>
>
> > When I saw this I though fantastic, an alternative to a
> > mariachi band. The seemingly obligatory mariachi band in
> > Albuquerque is for me almost as bad as the hotel room
> > challenges.
> >
> >
> >
> > As long as I am dumping on meeting locations, please note
> > the following relevant to March/Florida, how about an 802
> > led boycott of Florida?
> >
> >
> >
> > By Jeff Caruso
> > Network World High Speed LANs Newsletter, 09/02/03
> >
> > The state of Florida is mulling a rule that could result
> > in taxation of computer networks - both WAN and LAN.
> >
> > The rule is taking businesses by surprise, according to a
> > story in the Orlando Business Journal:
> > http://orlando.bizjournals.com/orlando
> > stories/2003/08/25/story1.html
> >
> > The article says the state would tax networks 9.17%, and
> > local districts could add their own tax to it. What
> > exactly would be taxed? Either the lease payments or
> > annual depreciation of network equipment, according to the
> > article.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > --Bob Grow
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rigsbee, Everett O
> > [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM
> > To: Geoff Thompson
> > Cc: Grow, Bob; scarlson@hspdesign.com;
> > rbrand@nortelnetworks.com; dawns@facetoface-events.com;
> > p.nikolich@ieee.org; 802 Exec
> > Subject: RE: Music at the Albuquerque Social
> >
> >
> >
> > Geoff, Does this mean we need to find a WiFi guitar to
> > present a balanced program ??? :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone for WiFi mariachi's ???
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanx, Buzz
> > Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> > Boeing - SSG
> > PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> > Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> > (425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
> > everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geoff Thompson
> > [mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:20 PM
> > To: sarora@gibson.com
> > Cc: gthompso@nortelnetworks.com;
> > bob.grow@intel.com; scarlson@hspdesign.com;
> > rbrand@nortelnetworks.com;
> > dawns@facetoface-events.com; Rigsbee,
> > Everett O; p.nikolich@ieee.org
> > Subject: Music at the Albuquerque Social
> > Shri-
> >
> > Enjoyed talking at lunch today.
> >
> > Thanks a lot for your offer to provide live
> > music and a demo of the Gibson Ethernet
> > Guitar at the 802 Social.
> > The folks to actually discuss the offer
> > with are the meeting and therefore the
> > Social planners who are:
> > Dawn C. Slykhouse, IEEE 802 Conference
> > Organizer
> > Email: dawns@facetoface-events.com
> > Face To Face Events, Inc.
> > 2699 Iversen Court
> > Santa Clara, CA. 95051
> > Tel: 408/241-8906
> > Fax: 408/241-8918
> > Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> > Executive Secretary, IEEE 802
> > C/o Boeing - SSG
> > PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> > Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> > (425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
> > everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dawn is the professional meeting planner
> > who actually runs the plenaries. She is
> > local.
> > Buzz is the Executive secretary of IEEE 802
> > and overseeing meeting arrangements is his
> > job.
> >
> > I'm not just sure how they divide up duties
> > on planning for the entertainment at the
> > social, but I suggest that you call Dawn as
> > a first point of contact.
> >
> > I hope to see you again soon,
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Geoff
> > |=========================================|
> > | Geoffrey O. Thompson |
> > | Vice Chair, IEEE 802 |
> > | Nortel Networks, Inc. M/S: P79/06/B04 |
> > | 4655 Great America Parkway |
> > | P. O. Box 58185 |
> > | Santa Clara, CA 95052-8185 USA |
> > | Phone: +1 408 495 1339 |
> > | Fax: +1 408 495 5615 |
> > | E-Mail: thompson@ieee.org |
> > | Please see the IEEE 802 web page at |
> > | http://www.ieee802.org/
> >
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Dr.
<br>The letter should encourage the elevation of taxes on deviant
businesses
like Pure Platinum and those that support professional (not amateur) mud
wrestling.
<br>Seriously though, are we going to consider the Gibson offer?
I love to see real applications and products that result from all of
these
hours we spend in places like underground Dallas watching s--- kicking
cowboy bands.
<br>Richard
<p>"Rigsbee, Everett O" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> <span class=803574419-09102003><font
face="Arial"><font color="#0000FF"><font size=-1>Whoa
Guys, Let's not fly off the handle here !!! This sounds way
too iffy to start canceling meetings over because there are BIG
financial
impacts to the group to do that. </font></font></font></span><span
class=803574419-09102003></span><span
class=803574419-09102003><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000FF"><font
size=-1>However,
it sounds like it might be an excellent time to organize an electronic
letter writing campaign that everyone can easily participate in to
indicate
our sincere displeasure with such a notion and implying that the result
of adoption of such as policy would certainly be cancellation of all
future
meetings there. </font></font></font></span> <!--
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<p><font size=-1>Thanx, Buzz</font>
<br><font size=-1>Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee</font>
<br><font size=-1>Boeing - SSG</font>
<br><font size=-1>PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM</font>
<br><font size=-1>Seattle, WA 98124-2207</font>
<br><font size=-1>(425) 865-2443 Fx: (425)
865-6721</font>
<br><font size=-1>everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com</font>
<br>
<blockquote style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" lang="en-us"><font
face="Tahoma"><font size=-1>-----Original
Message-----</font></font>
<br><font face="Tahoma"><font size=-1><b>From:</b> Geoff Thompson [<A
HREF="mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com";>mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks
.com</A>]</font></font>
<br><font face="Tahoma"><font size=-1><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October
08,
2003 8:08 PM</font></font>
<br><font face="Tahoma"><font size=-1><b>To:</b> Grow, Bob</font></font>
<br><font face="Tahoma"><font size=-1><b>Cc:</b> Rigsbee, Everett O;
Geoff
Thompson; scarlson@hspdesign.com; Richard Brand;
dawns@facetoface-events.com;
p.nikolich@ieee.org; 802 Exec</font></font>
<br><font face="Tahoma"><font size=-1><b>Subject:</b> RE: Florida Tax on
LANs</font></font>
<br> </div>
Bob-
<p>Sounds good to me.
<p>Should such discriminatory tax still be under consideration by the
state
of Florida when we convene in November, I would be happy to 2nd a motion
to cancel scheduled 802 meetings in Florida and to send an appropriate
advisory letter with copies to the Florida state chamber of commerce,
the
governor and the officers of the legislature.
<p>Buzz, please advise of the financial implications.
<br>(No, I do not want to spend March at DFW or in Albuquerque.)
<p>BTW speaking of taxes, when I was in Ireland I was told by our
landlady
at a B&B that the Irish government taxes citizens 40 Euros/year for
each credit card they hold.
<p>Geoff
<br>
<p>At 05:01 PM 10/8/2003 -0700, Grow, Bob wrote:
<br>
<blockquote cite type="cite"><font face="arial"><font
color="#000080"><font size=-1>When
I saw this I though fantastic, an alternative to a mariachi band.
The seemingly obligatory mariachi band in Albuquerque is for me almost
as bad as the hotel room challenges.</font></font></font>
<br>
<br>
<p>As long as I am dumping on meeting locations, please note the
following
relevant to March/Florida, how about an 802 led boycott of Florida?
<br>
<br>
<p><b><i><font face="arial"><font size=-2>By <a
href="http://www.nwfusion.com/Home/jcaruso.html";>Jeff
Caruso</a></font></font></i></b>
<br><font face="arial"><font size=-1>Network World High Speed LANs
Newsletter,
09/02/03</font></font>
<p><font face="verdana"><font size=-1>The state of Florida is mulling a
rule that could result in taxation of computer networks - both WAN and
LAN.</font></font>
<p>The rule is taking businesses by surprise, according to a story in
the
Orlando Business Journal:
<br><a
href="http://orlando.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2003/08/25/story1.h
tml">http://orlando.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2003/08/25/story1.ht
ml</a>
<p>The article says the state would tax networks 9.17%, and local
districts
could add their own tax to it. What exactly would be taxed? Either the
lease payments or annual depreciation of network equipment, according to
the article.
<p><snip>
<p>--Bob Grow
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<p><font face="tahoma"><font size=-1>-----Original
Message-----</font></font>
<br><font face="tahoma"><font size=-1><b>From:</b> Rigsbee, Everett O
[<a href="mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com";
eudora="autourl">mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com</a>]</font></font>
<br><font face="tahoma"><font size=-1><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October
08,
2003 4:32 PM</font></font>
<br><font face="tahoma"><font size=-1><b>To:</b> Geoff
Thompson</font></font>
<br><font face="tahoma"><font size=-1><b>Cc:</b> Grow, Bob;
scarlson@hspdesign.com;
rbrand@nortelnetworks.com; dawns@facetoface-events.com;
p.nikolich@ieee.org;
802 Exec</font></font>
<br><font face="tahoma"><font size=-1><b>Subject:</b> RE: Music at the
Albuquerque Social</font></font>
<br>
<br>
<p><font face="arial"><font color="#0000FF"><font size=-1>Geoff,
Does this mean we need to find a WiFi guitar to present a balanced
program
??? :-)</font></font></font>
<br>
<br>
<p><font face="arial"><font color="#0000FF"><font size=-1>Anyone for
WiFi
mariachi's ???</font></font></font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times"><font size=-1>Thanx,
Buzz</font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman, Times"><font size=-1>Dr. Everett O.
(Buzz)
Rigsbee</font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman, Times"><font size=-1>Boeing -
SSG</font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman, Times"><font size=-1>PO Box 3707, M/S:
7M-FM</font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman, Times"><font size=-1>Seattle, WA
98124-2207</font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman, Times"><font size=-1>(425)
865-2443
Fx: (425) 865-6721</font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman, Times"><font
size=-1>everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com</font></font>
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<dd>
<font face="tahoma"><font size=-1>-----Original
Message-----</font></font></dd>
<dd>
<font face="tahoma"><font size=-1>From:</font></font> Geoff Thompson [<a
href="mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com";
eudora="autourl">mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com</a>]</dd>
<dd>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:20 PM</dd>
<dd>
To: sarora@gibson.com</dd>
<dd>
Cc: gthompso@nortelnetworks.com; bob.grow@intel.com;
scarlson@hspdesign.com;
rbrand@nortelnetworks.com; dawns@facetoface-events.com; Rigsbee, Everett
O; p.nikolich@ieee.org</dd>
<dd>
Subject: Music at the Albuquerque Social<font face="Times New Roman,
Times"></font></dd>
<dd>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times">Shri-</font></dd>
<br>
<dd>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times">Enjoyed talking at lunch
today.</font></dd>
<br>
<dd>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times">Thanks a lot for your offer to
provide
live music and a demo of the Gibson Ethernet Guitar at the 802
Social.</font></dd>
<dd>
The folks to actually discuss the offer with are the meeting and
therefore
the Social planners who are:</dd>
<dd>
Dawn C. Slykhouse, IEEE 802 Conference Organizer</dd>
<dd>
Email: dawns@facetoface-events.com</dd>
<dd>
Face To Face Events, Inc.</dd>
<dd>
2699 Iversen Court</dd>
<dd>
Santa Clara, CA. 95051</dd>
<dd>
Tel: 408/241-8906</dd>
<dd>
Fax: 408/241-8918</dd>
<dd>
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee</dd>
<dd>
Executive Secretary, IEEE 802</dd>
<dd>
C/o Boeing - SSG</dd>
<dd>
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM</dd>
<dd>
Seattle, WA 98124-2207</dd>
<dd>
(425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721</dd>
<dd>
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com</dd>
<br>
<p>
<br>
<br>
<dd>
Dawn is the professional meeting planner who actually runs the
plenaries.
She is local.</dd>
<dd>
Buzz is the Executive secretary of IEEE 802 and overseeing meeting
arrangements
is his job.</dd>
<br>
<dd>
I'm not just sure how they divide up duties on planning for the
entertainment
at the social, but I suggest that you call Dawn as a first point of
contact.</dd>
<br>
<dd>
I hope to see you again soon,</dd>
<br>
<dd>
Best regards,</dd>
<br>
<dd>
Geoff</dd>
<dd>
|=========================================|</dd>
<dd>
| Geoffrey O.
Thompson &nbs
p;
|</dd>
<dd>
| Vice Chair, IEEE
802 &nb
sp;
|</dd>
<dd>
| Nortel Networks, Inc. M/S: P79/06/B04 |</dd>
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| 4655 Great America
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| E-Mail:
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| Please see the IEEE 802 web page at |</dd>
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