I don’t believe I am
banned from voting, so I vote APROVE.
Mat
Matthew
Sherman
Vice Chair,
IEEE 802
Technology
Consultant
Communications
Technology Research
AT&T Labs
- Shannon Laboratory
Room B255,
Building 103
180 Park
Avenue
P.O. Box 971
Florham Park,
NJ 07932-0971
Phone: +1
(973) 236-6925
Fax: +1 (973)
360-5877
EMAIL:
mjsherman@att.com
-----Original
Message-----
From:
Sherman,Matthew J (Matthew)
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:15
PM
To:
stds-802-sec@ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] +++ EC P&P
Revision Ballot +++ Ballot on Precedence ---Current Results
Folks,
I see
this in my inbox, but not in my sent folder. So in case Outlook created
some major blunder, I’m sending it again!
Mat
Matthew
Sherman
Vice Chair,
IEEE 802
Technology
Consultant
Communications
Technology Research
AT&T Labs
- Shannon Laboratory
Room B255,
Building 103
180 Park
Avenue
P.O. Box 971
Florham Park,
NJ 07932-0971
Phone: +1
(973) 236-6925
Fax: +1 (973)
360-5877
EMAIL:
mjsherman@att.com
-----Original
Message-----
From:
Sherman,Matthew J (Matthew)
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:05
PM
To:
stds-802-sec@ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] +++ EC P&P
Revision Ballot +++ Ballot on Precedence ---Current Results
Dear EC
members,
Below is the
status on the LMSC P&P Revision Ballot on Precedence. The ballot
closes tomorrow (Thursday) October 2nd at 11:59 PM EDT. Please
identify any inaccuracies you detect in my status report. If you have not
voted, there is less than a day to do so. There are a lot of DNVs (Did
Not Vote) as yet. So please, get in your votes! All comments
received to date are attached.
Best
Regards,
Mat
Ballot
Results and comments as of 5/8/03
00 Paul
Nikolich
DNV
01 Geoff
Thompson
DNV
02 Matthew
Sherman APR
03 Buzz
Rigsbee APR
04 Bob
O'Hara
APR
05 Bill
Quackenbush DIS
06 Tony
Jeffree APR
07 Bob
Grow
DNV
08 Stuart
Kerry
DNV
09 Bob
Heile APR
10 Roger
Marks
APR
11 Mike
Takefman APR
12 Carl
Stevenson
DNV
13 Jim
Lansford
DNV
14 Gary
Robinson
DNV
-------------------------------------------------------
totals: 7 APR 1 DIS 0
ABS 7 DNV
10 APPROVES
(2/3 majority) are required to PASS.
Ballot is
failing currently.
Comments
Bill Quackenbush
[billq@attglobal.net]
Sun 9/28/2003 8:24 PM
While I agree
with the intent of this proposed revision, I have a number
of problems
with the proposed text.
1) It is obvious from the list of documents under which the
LMSC
operates that
the LMSC has an organization relationship with at least
three
entities, the IEEE, the IEEE-SA and the Computer Society.
However, the
is no indication in text or Figure of Section 1 of the
relationship
between the LMSC, the IEEE and the IEEE-SA and there is no
indication of
the relationship between the Computer Society, the IEEE
and the
IEEE-SA. It is my understanding that the relationship is not
a
strict linear
hierarchy and I request that these relationships be added
to the text
and Figure of section 1. Such information seems quite
appropriate
for an "Overview" section.
2) One of the documents under which the LMSC operates is the
"IEEE
Financial
Operations Manual" (FOM). This document is missing from
the
list and
needs to be added. I suspect that it should follow the
IEEE
Polices, but
you need to check on that.
3) I think that the paragraph immediately preceding the list
of
documents
would be clearer and more accurate if changed to the
following.
"The operation of the LMSC is subject to regulations contained in
a
number of
documents including these Policies and Procedures. The
regulating
documents are identified in the following list and are
listed
in their
order of precedence from highest to lowest. If any two
documents in
this list give conflicting regulations, the conflict shall
be resolved
in favor of the document of higher precedence.
Bill Quackenbush
[billq@attglobal.net]
Sun
9/28/2003 11:25 PM
And two other
things.
4) I find it rather curious that the IEEE BoD resolutions are lower
in
precedence
than the IEEE Bylaws and IEEE Policies and Procedures
(actually,
this document is entitled the IEEE Policies, not Policies
and
Procedures),
but the IEEE-SA Bylaws are lower in precedence than the
IEEE-SA
Operations Manual and the IEEE-SA BoG resolutions. I find
it
very
difficult to believe that this is the correct order of
precedence
for IEEE-SA
documents. Please check the ordering.
5) Then there is the question of where to check to determine if
the
order of
precedence of these documents has changed and whether
documents
have been
added or removed from this list. The source(s) of this
ordering
needs to be stated.
Sherman,Matthew J
(Matthew)
Mon 9/29/2003 12:38 PM
Bill,
Thanks for
the inputs. My one question is whether your first change is really
necessary. There are (in my opinion) many flaws in how our reporting
relationships to various IEEE entities are represented in the P&P. I
am not trying to correct them in this change. It is a separate topic,
and I feel out of scope given the definition of this change (adding a
precedence section). Your other requested changes I feel are in
scope.
Comments?
Bill Quackenbush
[billq@attglobal.net]
Mon 9/29/2003 12:38 PM
Mat,
It is the
presence of the IEEE and IEEE-SA documents in the list of
regulating
documents that is being added to the P&P that now raises
the
issue of the
organizational relationships between the LMSC, the IEEE-SA
and the IEEE
and the relationships between the Computer Society and the
IEEE-SA and
the IEEE.
We can agree
to disagree on this, but I believe we now need to correct
the absence
of the IEEE and the IEEE-SA in the org charts and the text.
Matthew
Sherman
Vice Chair,
IEEE 802
Technology
Consultant
Communications
Technology Research
AT&T Labs
- Shannon Laboratory
Room B255,
Building 103
180 Park
Avenue
P.O. Box 971
Florham Park,
NJ 07932-0971
Phone: +1
(973) 236-6925
Fax: +1 (973)
360-5877
EMAIL:
mjsherman@att.com
-----Original
Message-----
From:
Sherman,Matthew J (Matthew)
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:24
PM
To:
stds-802-sec@ieee.org
Subject: [802SEC] +++ EC P&P Revision
Ballot +++ Ballot on Precedence
Dear EC
members,
Attached you
will find the text for an EC Policies and Procedures revision ballot on
Precedence. This letter ballot was approved at the Friday, July 25, 2003
plenary session. The scope and purpose of the changes being balloted are
as given in the attached ballot document.
The ballot
opens today – September 2, 2003 and closes October 2, 2003 at 11:59 PM Eastern
Time (Daylight or Standard as applicable). (Remember if you do not vote or
abstain it is equivalent to a DISAPPROVE vote). Buzz, please ensure this
gets sent to the "802ALL" email list as well. WG chairs, if you haven't
already done so, please invite your WG members to comment through you.
Regards,
Mat
Matthew
Sherman
Vice Chair, IEEE
802
Technology
Consultant
Communications Technology
Research
AT&T Labs - Shannon
Laboratory
Room B255, Building 103
180 Park Avenue
P.O. Box 971
Florham Park, NJ
07932-0971
Phone: +1 (973) 236-6925
Fax: +1 (973) 360-5877
EMAIL: mjsherman@att.com