RE: [802SEC] EC email vote statistics

[pat_thaler@agilent.com]

Buzz,

 

One can also vote No without comment. Voting on a motion isn't like voting on a draft where one has to have comments to support the No. One can just diapprove the motion.

 

However, I also agree with Bob that the 802 rules don't support the action Paul suggests.

 

If people don't like that others don't vote instead of voting No, their alternative is to change the rules so that a pass is based on Yes/(Yes+No). However, we had good reasons for setting things up the way they are. There isn't a notice or length requirement on Exec email ballots. Instead we required a pass to be based on Yes/(Yes + No + DNV) to ensure that ballots could only pass when most members had a chance to see them and vote. 

 

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:30 PM
To: Geoff Thompson; Paul Nikolich
Cc: IEEE802
Subject: RE: [802SEC] EC email vote statistics

Paul,  I'm with Geoff on this one.  For some issues, there are so many things wrong that writing out comments on all of those is a non-productive process, and DNV is the reasonable alternative. 

 

If you want to get better return rates on ballots you need to spend more time up front on crafting the text being balloted and responding to discussion comments.  Rewriting a document by ballot comments is a very inefficient process and should be avoided at all cost.  Circulation of drafts for comments and responding to inputs received is more efficient and less redundant, prior to going for a ballot.  Ballots where most folks can vote Approve without comments always get good returns. 

 

Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
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-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:43 PM
To: Paul Nikolich
Cc: IEEE802
Subject: Re: [802SEC] EC email vote statistics

 

Paul-

At 12:16 PM 7/30/2003 -0400, Paul Nikolich wrote:

Dear EC members,
 
Between the March 2003 and July 2003 plenary sessions the EC had 7 electronic ballots (the rules ballots are not counted in these stats), giving a total of 7*13=91 vote 'opportunities', 19 of which were DNVs.  Almost 21% of the vote opportunities were not utilized.  We can do better than this.  I think a 90% return rate is a reasonable goal.  Please cast your vote during email ballots, it is your responsibility to your WG/TAG and the LMSC.
 
Addtionally, at the Novebmer plenary session, I plan to request that the EC to empower me to suspend the EC email ballot voting rights of any member who does not cast a vote in 2 out of the last 3 email ballots.

I assert that any action by you to do so would infringe my right to vote DISAPPROVE by inaction.
We have DNV in the denominator for a reason.

Regards,
 
--Paul Nikolich

Geoff