Re: [802SEC] +++SEC EMAIL BALLOT+++ Email Ballot: Motion for WG Initial membership interpretation
I vote approve.
While I agree with everything Bill has to say, I believe
that the common practice in WGs has been to interpret
things the way Geoff has described. Certainly, when
I became a new chair, that was the algorithm that was
described to me.
My suggestion is that we get off our collective posteriors
and get the retention rules rewritten to age people off
faster. We tried this once before and we failed to
achieve concensus. Perhaps this situation will do the
trick.
mike
Bill Quackenbush wrote:
>
> I vote DISAPPROVE.
>
> While there is clearly a problem with the LMSC P&P in the area of WG
> membership retention when the membership is acquired by attendance at
> the first session of a new WG, this proposed solution has a very
> undesirable and unnecessary side effect.
>
> The EC already observed that there is a problem with the time it takes
> for the current membership retention policy to remove membership from
> inactive members (it takes too long). This proposal will allow an
> individual who attends a SINGLE session of the new WG to remain a member
> of that WG for a year without ever attending another session.
> Especially in light of the current problem of removing membership from
> inactive members, this proposed interpretation/solution makes NO sense
> to me and is clearly not desirable.
>
> There is a simpler way of dealing with the issue without this ugly side
> effect. Change the motion to:
>
> Section 5.1.3.2 which reads
>
> "Membership is retained by participating in at least two of the
> last four Plenary session meetings. One duly constituted interim
> Working Group or task group meeting may be substituted for one of
> the two Plenary meetings."
>
> shall be interpreted as reading
>
> "Membership is retained by participating in at least two of the
> last four Plenary sessions. One duly constituted interim
> Working Group or task group meeting may be substituted for one of
> the two Plenary meetings. This retention policy shall not be
> applied to members of a new Working Group who acquired their
> membership by attending the first session of the new Working Group
> until after the closing of the first Plenary session immediately
> following the first session of the new Working Group. Membership
> in a new Working Group that is obtained in this manner is
> automatically retained through the first Plenary session
> immediately following the first session of the new Working Group."
>
> This approach has the following advantages
>
> 1) It eliminates the absurdity of the current policy that gives
> membership for participation at the first session and then
> immediately cancels that membership after the first session as the
> participation requirement of the retention policy cannot be met.
>
> 2) It preserves the membership of those who continue to participate
> in the sessions of the new WG.
>
> 3) It quickly removes the membership of those who do not continue
> to participate in the sessions of the new WG. It thereby reduces
> the problem of achieving quorum at meetings and on ballots and also
> reduces the motivation of individuals to show for just the opening
> session to get voting rights.
>
> Thanks,
>
> wlq
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Paul Nikolich wrote:
>
> Dear SEC,
>
> This is a 15 day SEC email ballot on a Motion to Interpret the LMSC P&P
> rule on Working Group Initial Membership as moved by Mat Sherman and
> seconded by Geoff Thompson.
>
> The email ballot opens on Monday April 14, 2003 9PM EDT and closes
> Thursday April 29, 2003 9PM EDT.
>
> Please direct your responses to the SEC reflector with a CC directly to
> me (p.nikolich@ieee.org).
>
> Regards,
>
> --Paul Nikolich
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mjsherman@research.att.com
> To: paul.nikolich@att.net
> Cc: thompson@ieee.org
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 5:57 PM
> Subject: Motion for WG Initial membership interpretation
>
> Paul,
>
>
>
> I wish to formally make a motion concerning the interpretation of the
> current initial membership rules. The motion I would like to make is
> as follows:
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> "Motion that until the P&P revision titled "WG membership" being
> balloted starting March 27th, 2003 is completed (estimated to occur at
> the end of the July 2003 IEEE 802 Plenary meeting) the line in the LMSC
> P&P section 5.1.3.2 titled "Retention" reading:
>
> ’Membership is retained by participating in at least two of the last
> four Plenary session meetings.’
>
> Should be interpreted as reading:
>
> ’Membership is retained by participating in at least two of the last
> four Plenary sessions. (An individual who attains membership by
> participation and attendance at the first meeting of a new Working Group
> is assumed to have the right to retain that membership by the
> granting of credit for 'full virtual attendance' at the plenary session
> that would be immediately previous to the first working group plenary
> session.)’”
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com
Manager of Engineering, Cisco Systems
Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
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