RE: [802SEC] Re: IEEE-SA CLARIFICATION ON TRADEMARK(TM) AND REGISTERED TRADEMARK(R) USAGE
Geoff:
Everything you write is correct to my understanding. I have frequently made
the point about improper use for things that aren't a product (e.g., "802
SEC(R)"). While 802 through its 802.x working groups produce standards it
is the standard that is the product for which 802 is registered
(publications). "802.x(R)" Working Group is an incorrect usage of the
registration mark. For example, it is incorrect to use a registration mark
"Intel corporation" but correct to use "Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4", because
Pentiums are a product of Intel.
The policy published by Claudio identifies the standard as the object of
trademark protection. This is different that the response I received from
staff when questioning the latest version of labeling as implemented on IEEE
Std 802.3ae(TM)-2002. For example, the cover page has:
IEEE Std 802.3ae(TM)-2002
(An amendment to IEEE Std 802.3-2002)
This is two different publications one not having the TM, the reason given
was that the TM was applying to 802.3. (So why is it after ae?). Even our
very competent and cooperative editor admits to the editorial instructions
for use of marks as being confusing.
--Bob Grow
-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:07 AM
To: Roger B. Marks
Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Re: IEEE-SA CLARIFICATION ON TRADEMARK(TM) AND
REGISTERED TRADEMARK(R) USAGE
Roger-
No I didn't see this ahead of time.
Further, I believe that it is technically incorrect.
However, we should let Bob Grow be the interface on this.
It is my understanding that:
"> IEEE 802(R) Working Group"
would not be correct in the trademark sense even if it were correct in the
organizational sense, which it is not. There is no Working Group for IEEE
Std 802(R). It is a work product of the 802.1 Working Group.
My understanding is that the registered trademark should only be asserted
against a "product".
It is my belief that the 802.1 Working Group would take offense at being
considered a "product" by the IEEE.
Geoff
At 09:54 AM 8/28/2002 -0600, Roger B. Marks wrote:
>The article below is from today's SOCIETY SENTINEL - Vol. 7, No. 16.
>
>Has the SEC received this information before? I don't recall seeing it.
>
>The results don't exactly match my recollection of the meeting.
>
>Roger
>
>
> >IEEE-SA CLARIFICATION ON TRADEMARK(TM) AND REGISTERED TRADEMARK(R) USAGE:
> >IEEE Standards Activities has updated its guidelines on trademark (TM)
and
> >registered trademark (R) usage for all IEEE standards. The (R) should be
> >used only when referencing registered trademarks, such as POSIX (R) and
the
> >base IEEE 802(R) standard or IEEE 802(R) in general. The (TM) symbol
should
> >be used when referencing all other non-registered IEEE standards,
including
> >specific members of the IEEE 802 family of standards, such as IEEE
> >802.15.1(TM).
> > Examples:
> > IEEE Std 802(R)-2002 or IEEE 802(R)-2002
> > IEEE 802(R) Working Group
> > IEEE Std 802.11b(TM)-1999
> > IEEE 1394(TM)
> > IEEE P1232(TM)
> >If you have any questions, CONTACT Claudio Stanziola - IEEE Standards
> >Activities - telephone +1 732 562 3804; "MailTo:c.stanziola@ieee.org";.