RE: [802SEC] +++ SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++ Ballot on WG electronic voting
I would like to suggest that a quorum for an electronic WG ballot should be
50% of the voting membership of the WG. I suggest this because all of the
voting members will have received the email announcing the particular motion
on which the vote is to take place. This means, to me, that all voting
members are "present" and have heard the question placed before the WG, just
as if they were standing in the room at a face to face meeting.
Getting the voters to respond is simple, the rule should state that failure
to return any 2 out of 3 electronic ballots results in loss of voting
membership. This addition helps the WG in two respects. First it increases
participation in the business of the WG. Second, it helps to rapidly prune
the voting roster of inactive members, resulting in a lower number of voting
members being required to reach a quorum.
-Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert D. Love [mailto:rdlove@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 6:18 PM
To: Mike Takefman; p.nikolich@ieee.org
Cc: 'IEEE802'
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++ Ballot on WG
electronic voting
Mike, for SEC email ballots the eligible voters all have a very significant
commitment to remain engaged and participate in the process. Therefore, the
SEC electronic balloting rules call for motions to pass with >50% of ALL
ELIGIBLE VOTERS. As a consequence, not voting on an SEC electronic ballot
is equivalent to casting a NO vote.
Since the ballot group for any of the Working Groups is so much larger, even
getting 50% of the voters to respond is an effort. It would be a useless
exercise to require Working Group e-mail ballots to have greater than 50% of
the voting members cast a YES vote.
Best regards,
Robert D. Love
Chair, Resilient Packet Ring Alliance
President, LAN Connect Consultants
7105 Leveret Circle Raleigh, NC 27615
Phone: 919 848-6773 Mobile: 919 810-7816
email: rdlove@ieee.org Fax: 208 978-1187
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Takefman" <tak@cisco.com>
To: <p.nikolich@ieee.org>
Cc: "'Robert D. Love'" <rdlove@nc.rr.com>; "'IEEE802'"
<stds-802-sec@ieee.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++ Ballot on WG
electronic voting
>
> Paul,
>
> This makes sense and is what I was assuming.
>
> The confusing point was that your email indicated that
> for the current SEC motion a failure to vote was counted as a NO.
> I took a quick look at the rules and it is not clear to me why a
> fail to vote on an SEC motion is a no vote. Rather the rule 3.4.2.1
> appears to state that a majority of the voting SEC members must reply.
>
> mike
>
> Paul Nikolich wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > The quorom for an electonic ballot is that 50% of the working group
voting
> > members must respond YES, NO or ABSTAIN. This is exactly the same as a
> > quorum for any WG meeting that is not held during a plenary session.
> >
> > --Paul
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert D. Love [mailto:rdlove@nc.rr.com]
> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 3:49 PM
> > To: Mike Takefman; p.nikolich@ieee.org
> > Cc: 'IEEE802'
> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++ Ballot on
> > WG electronic voting
> >
> > Mike, I believe 50% of the eligible voters voting YES, NO, or ABSTAIN,
is a
> > quorum for electronic balloting. See the 802.5 Working Group electronic
> > balloting rules I posted on the 802.17 reflector which explicitly
specify
> > that.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Robert D. Love
> > Chair, Resilient Packet Ring Alliance
> > President, LAN Connect Consultants
> > 7105 Leveret Circle Raleigh, NC 27615
> > Phone: 919 848-6773 Mobile: 919 810-7816
> > email: rdlove@ieee.org Fax: 208 978-1187
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Takefman" <tak@cisco.com>
> > To: <p.nikolich@ieee.org>
> > Cc: "'IEEE802'" <stds-802-sec@ieee.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 2:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++ Ballot on
WG
> > electronic voting
> >
> > >
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > > a question from one of my people. What consitutes a quorum for an
> > > electronic vote (either motion or ballot).
> > >
> > > For example, this SEC rules change ballot marks a failure to vote
> > > as a vote against. Hence, one could argue there is no quorum
requirement
> > > as all voters end up with either a no or whatever they actually
responded
> > > with and 100% of the voters are counted.
> > >
> > > Another interpretation is similar to those of a meeting. Specifically
> > > the number of people who respond to the ballot as a yes or no or
abstain
> > > must be greater than 50% of the voting members.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > mike
> > >
> > > Paul Nikolich wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear SEC members,
> > > >
> > > > Attached you will find the text for the SEC rules change letter
ballot
> > on WG
> > > > Electronic Voting.
> > > >
> > > > Scope: To permit voting by electronic means at the working group
level.
> > > >
> > > > Purpose: To facilitate the WG consensus process.
> > > >
> > > > The ballot opens March 18, 2002 and closes June 8, 2002 12 midnight
EDT
> > > > (remember if you do not vote or abstain it is equivalent to a
DISAPPROVE
> > > > vote). Buzz, please ensure this gets sent to the 802-wide email
list as
> > > > well. WG chairs, please invite your WG members to comment through
you.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > --Paul Nikolich
> > > >
> > > > Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Project
> > > > email: p.nikolich@ieee.org
> > > > cell: 857.205.0050
> > > > mail: 18 Bishops Lane, Lynnfield, MA 01940
> > > >
> > >
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> > > --
> > > Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com
> > > Manager of Engineering, Cisco Systems
> > > Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
> > > 2000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
> > > voice: 613-254-3399 fax: 613-254-4867
>
> --
> Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com
> Manager of Engineering, Cisco Systems
> Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
> 2000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
> voice: 613-254-3399 fax: 613-254-4867