RE: [802SEC] Closing SEC Meeting for St Louis
Buzz,
I agree that we ought to set a time and stick to it. However, we haven't done so yet.
The 3-7 schedule popped up in Portland on an ad hoc basis. At that meeting, we discussed what to do about Austin. We took a pool, with the result:
8-12 5
1-5 0
3-7 3
After the poll report, the minutes say "Meeting time will be: 3pm to 7pm, since WGs are already planning on using the mornings for meetings." So, the sentiment was for an earlier start, but it seems a decision was made in deference to groups that had already planned (four months out) to meet Friday morning. The decision was a one-time decision, not a permanent one.
If we want look at precedent, there is no better place than the rules. Let's not forget that the rules still say "The Monday morning and Thursday evening Executive Committee meetings during the Plenary session shall end no later than 10:30AM on Monday morning and at midnight on Thursday evening." The Portland minutes say "Friday SEC meeting moved to 3-7pm. Paul asks for input on rules change to set closing SEC meeting time." I think we need a proper rules discussion to put this issue to bed.
In the meantime, we don't have a plan.
Roger
>Colleagues, Do we really need to replay this same discussion one more time
>???
>We spent half an hour of our precious SEC meeting discussing this, and
>arrived at the
>Compromise of 3-7pm Friday. Let's not redo this again.
>
>
>Thanx, Buzz
>Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: pat_thaler@agilent.com [mailto:pat_thaler@agilent.com]
>Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:05 PM
>To: stuart.kerry@philips.com; stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
>Subject: RE: [802SEC] Closing SEC Meeting for St Louis
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>All,
>
>I suspect that the requirement to stay an extra night (or 2 nights for some
>working groups) to attend the Friday plenary is decreasing the pool of
>people who would be willing to take Executive Committee offices. Being there
>on Monday morning already eats into the weekend on the front end and some
>people come out even earlier to allow for Sunday meetings.
>
>When I first started chairing 802.3, we weren't nearly as efficient as we
>have become partly because we didn't have the tools (no laptops and no
>displays other than overhead transparencies) that expedite things today.
>Sometimes 802.3 didn't finish until 6 PM. An hour left enough time from the
>end of the meeting to the start of the SEC meeting though it meant I had to
>hurry.
>
>In the interest of splitting the pain fairly, I suggest that the SEC meeting
>start at 1 PM. I expect that chairs with Friday morning plenaries will find
>that by doing as much preparation as possible before their plenary they can
>get ready in 1 hour.
>
>And perhaps at the Monday SEC meeting in March there can be a discussion of
>whether to continue to schedule the closing SEC for the afternoon or whether
>to go to Friday morning. I think it would be better to make that kind of a
>decision at a plenary because of its effect on Working Group schedules.
>
>Pat
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: stuart.kerry@philips.com [mailto:stuart.kerry@philips.com]
>Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:36 PM
>To: stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
>Subject: RE: [802SEC] Closing SEC Meeting for St Louis
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>Well said Vic. My sentiments also......
>
>Sorry Mike, but 802.11 does have a very full agenda, and needs ALL the
>time it can get. Our close will be 12:00 mid-day Friday.
>
>Stay the extra night, and "I will even buy the drinks....."
>
>Best Regards,
>
>- Stuart
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hayes, Vic (Vic) [mailto:vichayes@agere.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 23:42
>To: Mike Takefman; stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
>Subject: RE: [802SEC] Closing SEC Meeting for St Louis
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>Mike and colleagues,
>
>With Working Group meetings planned to run from 8-12 AM, it is
>impossible for me to have the closing plenary before 3 PM. We need to do
>work resulting from the decisions made during those closing plenary
>meetings and simply are not able to be in the SEC earlier.
>
>Thanks and regards
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Takefman [mailto:tak@cisco.com]
>Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:59 AM
>To: stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
>Subject: [802SEC] Closing SEC Meeting for St Louis
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>Colleagues,
>
>I did a quick search of the November SEC closing minutes
>and I did not find any mention of the schedule for the
>closing SEC meeting for March.
>
>I will start by suggesting we start early and end early
>(1 to 5pm?) thus allowing me to get out of town on
>a 7:20 pm flight :). Or, I could be very cheeky and suggest
>8am to 12pm.
>
>That being said, when do people want to meet.
>
>mike
>
>--
>Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com
>Manager of Engineering, Cisco Systems
>Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
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