RE: [802SEC] Re: IEEE Standards and Certification
Pat,
I agree.
Regards,
Tony
At 10:07 30/11/2001 -0700, pat_thaler@agilent.com wrote:
>Tony,
>
>Reading the questions in the survey, it seems similar to those surveys sent
>out by political lobbying groups where the questions are slanted to get the
>answers they want. The questions focus on establishing a value for the IEEE
>label. Some 802 participants have said that if IEEE gets too restrictive
>about the use of IEEE 802 naming to identify products, then producers will
>move to other terms such as Ethernet. None of their questions ask whether a
>restrictive policy in this area will reduce the value of IEEE 802 as an
>identifier.
>
>Also, what we have heard of IEEE's direction on trademarking is, it seems
>foolish to answer some of the questions they have asked especially questions
>2 through 5. I expect NCC is just asking the questions IEEE has given them
>but it certainly isn't a balanced opinion survey and it worries me that IEEE
>is going to use the results to justify their direction.
>
>Regards,
>Pat
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tony Jeffree [mailto:tony@jeffree.co.uk]
>Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:20 AM
>To: Paul Nikolich
>Cc: IEEE802
>Subject: Re: [802SEC] Re: IEEE Standards and Certification
>
>
>
>Paul -
>
>It appears that NCC (here in Manchester, UK - I worked for them ~6 years
>ago) have been contracted by IEEE ISTO to conduct this study - basically,
>to sound out opinion on certification in relation to IEEE standards. I had
>a conversation with Jane Pink at NCC this morning - amongst other things, I
>impressed on her that it would be a smart move for Chris Weston to follow
>up his email with a clear statement of what the relationship between NCC &
>IEEE ISTO is, and to make it clear that his words "On behalf of the
>IEEE..." were not meant to imply anything more than that.
>
>I have given Jane Pink your Email address and phone numbers, and suggested
>she calls you to discuss the study.
>
>Regards,
>Tony
>
>At 17:57 29/11/2001 -0500, Paul Nikolich wrote:
>
> >SEC,
> >
> >Can anyone shed any light on the motives behind The NCC Group's
> >certification objectives? Is there any relationship of this activity to
>any
> >activities within the IEEE?
> >
> >--Paul
> >
> >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > The questions you ask are not related to our function as "an active IEEE
> > > Working Group Member".
> > >
> > > They are rather looking at whether the company that sponsors us is
> >involved
> > > in marketing products that are conforming to IEEE standards and whether
> >the
> > > sponsor uses the name of IEEE in their documentation.
> > >
> > > I am asking you to perform the acid test to the IEEE code of Ethics.
> > > Especially the following:
> > >
> > > 2. to avoid real or perceived conflicts of interest whenever possible,
>and
> > > to disclose them to affected parties when they do exist;
> > >
> > > 3. to be honest and realistic in stating claims or estimates based on
> > > available data;
> > >
> > > Thank you very much!
> > >
> > > ---------------
> > > Vic Hayes
> > > Agere Systems Nederland B.V., formerly Lucent Technologies
> > > Zadelstede 1-10
> > > 3431 JZ Nieuwegein, the Netherlands
> > > Phone: +31 30 609 7528 (Time Zone UTC + 2)
> > > FAX: +31 30 609 7498
> > > e-mail: vichayes@agere.com
> > > http://www.orinocowireless.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: chris weston [mailto:chris.weston@nccglobal.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 7:43 PM
> > > To: stuart.kerry@philips.com; apetrick@icefyre.com; vichayes@agere.com;
> > > bob@informed-technology.com; jfakat01@intersil.com;
> > > duncan.kitchin@intel.com; christen@analogy.com; dlb@wash.inmet.com;
> > > kenneth_bakalar@mentorg.com; giffordi@ieee.org; james.d.allen@kodak.com;
> > > michael.d.mcinnis@boeing.com; bisdik@us.ibm.com; nada@nist.gov;
> > > kevin.marquess@ieee.org; jimlans@mobilian.com; marconaeve@eaton.com;
> > > bkraem01@intersil.com; alan@nabeth.cxo.dec.com; jack.cole@ieee.org;
> > > merritt@mitre.org; kaufmanma@corona.navy.mil
> > > Cc: chris.weston@nccglobal.com
> > > Subject: IEEE Standards and Certification
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Sir/Madam,
> > >
> > > On behalf of The IEEE (and NCC Group in the UK) I am conducting a
> > > Certification Study on IEEE Standards.
> > >
> > > As an IEEE Working Group Member the IEEE is very interested to hear your
> > > thoughts on IEEE Standards and the potential for Certification. In the
> >past
> > > week I have spoken with many of the IEEE Working Group members.
> > >
> > > I have attempted to contact you by telephone this week, however I have
> >been
> > > unsuccessful. Thus I have detailed a few short questions below which
>you
> > > can if you wish reply to. Upon completion I promise to relay all
> >qualitative
> > > results back to you in a month/six weeks time.
> > >
> > > I would be very appreciative if you could return this email with any
>brief
> > > answers you wish to give. I will attempt to contact you by telephone
>again
> > > before the deadline of Friday (am) of this week. Should you have any
> > > questions regarding this email, or the authenticity of this study please
> > > find my contact details and The NCC Group's URL listed below.
> > >
> > > Your quick response to this email would be most helpful.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Chris Weston
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. Which IEEE standards does your organisation/ you contribute to?
> > >
> > > 2. Does your organisation build products to these standards? which ones?
> > >
> > > 3. Does your organisation use the IEEE name in your marketing/technical
> > > information about the product(s)?
> > >
> > > 4. Do you use the IEEE name in your technical information about the
> > > product(s)?
> > >
> > > 5. Does the use of the IEEE name in relation to your product(s) add
> >value?
> > >
> > > 6. Does it concern you that some organisations may use the IEEE name in
> > > relation to products that do not meet the requirements of the standard,
> >thus
> > > possibly devaluing your product(s)?
> > >
> > > 7. Do you believe that a certification program to provide some level of
> > > testing and certification of products in the area you work in would be
>of
> > > value?
> > >
> > > 8. Would you support the production of a recognised test suite/ test
>tool
> >to
> > > be used for the purposes of testing?
> > >
> > > 9. Would you accept the IEEE as a suitable organisation to be a
> > > certification authority?
> > >
> > > 10. What output would you like to see from a certification program? e.g.
>A
> > > certificate? Use of a logo? A Test/Certification Report? Other?
> > >
> > >
> > > Many thanks for your assistance, I look forward to passing the results
> >back
> > > to you.
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris Weston
> > > Research Department
> > > The NCC Group
> > > Manchester Technology Centre
> > > Manchester
> > > M1 - 7ED
> > > United Kingdom
> > >
> > > Direct: +00 (44) 161 - 242 - 2133
> > > Main: +00 (44) 161 - 242 - 2200
> > > www.nccglobal.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >