RE: FW: 802all: Proposed Rules Change
and no filler-bustering
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Carlo [mailto:jcarlo@ti.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 5:14 PM
To: pat_thaler@agilent.com
Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org; kamundsen@cportcorp.com
Subject: RE: FW: 802all: Proposed Rules Change
How about:
Two SEC meetings will be held each Plenary Meeting. The initial SEC meeting
shall start at 8:00am on Monday and should end before noon. The final SEC
meeting shall start at 7:00pm on Thursday and shall end before midnight.
Jim Carlo(jcarlo@ti.com) Cellular:1-214-693-1776 Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274
TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
Chair, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Telecom and Info Exchange Between Systems
Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
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From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]On
Behalf Of pat_thaler@agilent.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:51 PM
To: jcarlo@ti.com
Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org; kamundsen@cportcorp.com
Subject: RE: FW: 802all: Proposed Rules Change
Jim,
7 am to Midnight? That's a pretty long meeting. :^)
I believe that the ending time needs to be a shall. It was an earlier
"Dark and Stormy Night" that caused the Midnight rule to be put in place.
(Buzz is probably the only current Exec member who was serving then.)
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Carlo [mailto:jcarlo@ti.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:02 AM
To: Geoff Thompson; Howard Frazier
Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org; kamundsen@cportcorp.com
Subject: RE: FW: 802all: Proposed Rules Change
Procedure 4 first paragraph was put there to limit the length of the IEEE
SEC meetings (as I understand it they continued to 2am a few times). Thus,
even though we have changed the Monday morning meeting to end at 10:30am,
the current rules allow us to go until noon. For Thursday, the current rules
allow us to go until midnight.
Procedure 4 second paragraph was a safeguard to allow the SEC to continue to
meet on Friday morning if there were specific motions on the table, that
warranted a continuation (this was put there due to the Storm Night that
Geoff mentions below). Since we now are dispensing the Friday meeting, it is
not appropriate that we reserve for this case on Friday. We can take motions
by email, so if we do something bad, it is probably better to not rush to
fix it.
Possibly changing Procedure 4 to read: SEC Meeting Schedules
Note use of shall and should in the above to give some flexibility.
Jim Carlo(jcarlo@ti.com) Cellular:1-214-693-1776 Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274
TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
Chair, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Telecom and Info Exchange Between Systems
Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
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From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]On
Behalf Of Geoff Thompson
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 1:36 PM
To: Howard Frazier
Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org; kamundsen@cportcorp.com
Subject: Re: FW: 802all: Proposed Rules Change
Howard-
I don't think that is good enough. I don't recall that there is any mandate
that "the weekly agenda" be published. Further, if something became
contentious it might not turn out that "TWA" was the "official" notice.
Dawn updates it constantly so there is no advance notice requirement on it,
etc. etc.
Before "The Dark and Stormy Night" I would not have thought this would be
an issue but the current rule on specific definition of the time slot in
the Operating Rules is in there for good reason.
Geoff
At 10:41 AM 5/17/00 -0700, Howard Frazier wrote:
>Keith,
>
>The start time and the end time of the thursday evening meeting are
>published on the weekly agenda which is posted on the bulletin board
>outside the registration office.
>
>Howard
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>From: Keith Amundsen <kamundsen@cportcorp.com>
>To: "'Howard Frazier'" <hfrazier@cisco.com>
>Subject: FW: 802all: Proposed Rules Change
>Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:48:24 -0400
>
>Please forward as appropriate.
>
>Howard, et al,
>If the old Thursday evening wording was useful, the new wording now seems
>unclear. When is "announced time" decided and be whom; is it clear enough
>both for business to be concluded, and for people's travel reservations?
>Regards, Keith
>
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>From: Howard Frazier [mailto:hfrazier@cisco.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 9:10 PM
>To: stds-802-all@ieee.org
>Subject: 802all: Proposed Rules Change
>
>
>
>ATTENTION: All IEEE 802 Attendees !!!
>
>Dear members of the IEEE 802 LMSC,
>
>The Executive Committee of the IEEE 802 LMSC is considering a change
>to our operating rules which would eliminate the Friday morning
>closing plenary meeting. The text of the proposed rule change can
>be found at:
>
> http://www.ieee802.org/killplenaryrulechange.pdf
>
>
>Howard Frazier
>Recording Secretary IEEE 802 LMSC
>
>
>
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