Re: Rules for Voter List Approval for LMSC Electronic Ballots
Jim-
I think I agree with Mr. Love on this one. The balloting group process
should be the one that gets contact information hashed out. In particular
there needs to be a mechanism that uncovers transcription errors in
recording e-mail addresses. The burdon of hitting hte reply button is
trivial in comparison to acquiring via download and reviewing the document
and then going through the balloting mechanism.
The only issue that I can think of that this brings up is that it should be
announced in the invitation to ballot that an e-mail confirmation will be
required in "... time frame" as well as telling them when the ballot itself
is expected to be issued.
Geoff
At 06:45 AM 7/27/99 -0400, rdlove@us.ibm.com wrote:
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>All, per Jim's suggestion to me, I am opening up this issue to the SEC
>reflector. In addition, we will discuss it at the Monday morning SEC
meeting in
>November. The attached notes contain some of Jim's comments and some of
mine.
>Let's get this subject well aired electronically so that we don't have to
spend
>much time on it in November.
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>Best regards.
>
>Robert D. Love
>Program Manager, IBM ACS - US
>Chair IEEE 802.5 Token Ring Working Group
>IBM
>800 Park Offices Phone: 919 543-2746
>P. O. Box 12195 DGTA/664 Fax: 919 254-5410
>Research Triangle Park, NC 27709, USA E-Mail: rdlove@us.ibm.com
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>---------------------- Forwarded by Robert Love/Raleigh/IBM on 07/27/99
06:38 AM
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>Robert Love
>07/21/99 03:37 PM
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>To: "Jim Carlo" <jcarlo@ti.com>
>cc:
>From: Robert Love/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
>Subject: RE: Request for Verification of E-Mail Addresses for 802.5w LMSC
> Ballot (2nd Notice) (Document link not converted)
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>Jim, I strongly disagree with your point of view. Both Vic and I had in our
>letters that a requirement to be on the ballot group was electronic
confirmation
>of their e-mail address. Someone that can't do that doesn't meet minimum
>requirements to be a balloter. It is a rather small thing to ask compared to
>the effort of reviewing the document.
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>There is a second reason to require this confirmation. Since e-mail can be
>almost immediate, it gives a "last minute" check on the continued validity of
>the address information which could be several months old by the time a
ballot
>is ready to begin
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>I would be happy to open up this discussion to the Exec reflector to get more
>inputs, but did not want you to think that I was strong-arming you with SEC
>support for my position. Again, I believe we should set aside some time to
>discuss this during the Monday morning exec meeting (5 minutes max), and then
>set some time during the meeting to formulate a policy, if the 5 minute
>discussion does not come to a natural conclusion.
>
>Best regards.
>
>Robert D. Love
>Program Manager, IBM ACS - US
>Chair IEEE 802.5 Token Ring Working Group
>IBM
>800 Park Offices Phone: 919 543-2746
>P. O. Box 12195 DGTA/664 Fax: 919 254-5410
>Research Triangle Park, NC 27709, USA E-Mail: rdlove@us.ibm.com
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>"Jim Carlo" <jcarlo@ti.com> on 07/21/99 12:35:54 PM
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>To: Robert Love/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
>cc:
>Subject: RE: Request for Verification of E-Mail Addresses for 802.5w LMSC
> Ballot (2nd Notice)
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>Bob, they already responded once, so this is a second request. While it is a
>small issue, getting everyone to respond is always difficult.
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>Jim Carlo(jcarlo@ti.com) Cellular:1-214-693-1776 Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274
>TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
>Chair, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Telecom and Info Exchange Between Systems
>Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rdlove@us.ibm.com [mailto:rdlove@us.ibm.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 4:41 AM
>To: Jim Carlo
>Subject: RE: Request for Verification of E-Mail Addresses for 802.5w
>LMSC Ballot (2nd Notice)
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>Jim, its likely, but not good enough. It is a small enough requirement to
>place
>on people that are committed to carefully review a draft standard to ask
>them to
>have the courtesy to respond to an e-mail.
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>However, I will take this response as verification of your e-mail. You are
>now
>on the list on 802.5w LMSC balloters.
>
>Best regards.
>
>Robert D. Love
>Program Manager, IBM ACS - US
>Chair IEEE 802.5 Token Ring Working Group
>IBM
>800 Park Offices Phone: 919 543-2746
>P. O. Box 12195 DGTA/664 Fax: 919 254-5410
>Research Triangle Park, NC 27709, USA E-Mail: rdlove@us.ibm.com
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>"Jim Carlo" <jcarlo@ti.com> on 07/20/99 05:25:43 PM
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>To: Robert Love/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
>cc:
>Subject: RE: Request for Verification of E-Mail Addresses for 802.5w LMSC
> Ballot (2nd Notice)
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>Hi there! By the way, my view is that if an EMAIL doesn't bounce it was
>received.
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>Jim Carlo(jcarlo@ti.com) Cellular:1-214-693-1776 Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274
>TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
>Chair, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Telecom and Info Exchange Between Systems
>Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rdlove@us.ibm.com [mailto:rdlove@us.ibm.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 3:25 PM
>To: jcarlo@ti.com; fanchan@sun.ihep.ac.cn; jwf@bradley.edu;
>wwmonroe@earthlink.net; p.nikolich@ieee.org; oba@lantc.cs.fujitsu.co.jp;
>jwr@mislabs.com; lsi@cs.tut.fi; jviaplana@acm.org; p.willis@ieee.org;
>ktwilson@us.ibm.com
>Subject: Request for Verification of E-Mail Addresses for 802.5w LMSC
>Ballot (2nd Notice)
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>All, please respond to this follow-up note requesting you confirm your email
>address prior to the start of LMSC balloting for 802.5w, per the attached
>note.
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>Thank you.
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>Best regards.
>
>Robert D. Love
>Program Manager, IBM ACS - US
>Chair IEEE 802.5 Token Ring Working Group
>IBM
>800 Park Offices Phone: 919 543-2746
>P. O. Box 12195 DGTA/664 Fax: 919 254-5410
>Research Triangle Park, NC 27709, USA E-Mail: rdlove@us.ibm.com
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>---------------------- Forwarded by Robert Love/Raleigh/IBM on 07/20/99
>04:16 PM
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>Robert Love
>07/14/99 11:59 AM
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>To: lmsc8025w
>cc: jcarlo@ti.com, d.pribula@ieee.org
>From: Robert Love/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
>Subject: Verification of E-Mail Addresses for 802.5w LMSC Ballot
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>Dear LMSC Ballot Pool Member,
>
>Thank you for responding positively to the request to participate in voting
>on
>the 802.5w draft, the Errata document for 802.5:1998, and for 802.5 :1998
>Amd1:1998. At the last IEEE meeting, the document title was changed from
>"Errata" to "Corrigenda" to conform with IEEE requirements. This change
>does
>not effect the scope or contents of the document.
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>The final requirement for confirming you as a participant in the ballot
>process
>is that you respond to this e-mail to confirm the accuracy of your e-mail
>address. Automatic confirmation from a "detached machine" is an acceptable
>verification of your e-mail address.
>
>Please send replies to me, at rdlove@us.ibm.com, including your name,
>address,
>e-mail address and phone number in the body of the note by Friday, July
>30th.
>If a detached machine replies for you, please follow-up on your return to
>the
>office with a note to me containing this requested information.
>
>Thank you for volunteering to participate in this ballot.
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>Best regards.
>
>Robert D. Love
>Program Manager, IBM ACS - US
>Chair IEEE 802.5 Token Ring Working Group
>IBM
>800 Park Offices Phone: 919 543-2746
>P. O. Box 12195 DGTA/664 Fax: 919 254-5410
>Research Triangle Park, NC 27709, USA E-Mail: rdlove@us.ibm.com
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